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Lt. Commander
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# 31
09-27-2012, 05:21 AM
Ah, but you see, they make MORE money exploiting gambling addicts. Note how there is absolutely no transparency in the process, which allows them to scam known lockbox addicts by never giving it to them, thus ensuring that the whales keep coughing up the money. They keep stats on who the big suckers are, like they keep stats on everything. This is why there is zero transparency and zero independent verification: Because it's a scam. Once they mark you as a whale, they'll make sure you never win...and since there's no way to verify this, they'll get away with it. Meanwhile, they spam the chats with fake shill messages to make it seem like it's possible to actually win. A classic con.
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# 32
09-27-2012, 06:28 AM
Those damn lockboxes struck the deck once PWE got the game....

I HATE lockboxes.

All intelligent persons are going to HATE lockboxes.

Especially now for us KDF when u brought 4 ships in fed side and 0 ships in KDF side.

And after 6 months the only ships you bring in KDF side are in the STUPID lockboxes???

Dont you make enough money from the game already?

Why do you need to have lockboxes that limit the the chance to get the ship and also share unique consoles with faction ruining game balance and faction uniqeness

I bought bortasQ bundle instantly and paid 50 euro instantly without seconds thought.
But for the lockboxes i did a LOT of thought for getting only 10x keys which all they gave me back was some JUNK that doesnt even worth EC.

I wanred you before 100 times those lockboxes will be the end of this game.

STOP THE LOCKBXOES AT LAST....

GIVE KDF SOME NEW Z STORE SHIPS AT LAST...

GIVE US TRACTOR PETS.....and heavy raptor carrier!

Last edited by z0gra; 09-27-2012 at 06:39 AM.
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# 33
09-27-2012, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by bitemepwe View Post
I don't mind having to buy something for the KDF, if its worth buying and the price is right, but the gamble that is the lockbox to enjoy a new KDF ship is not worth it.
I'll spend less on it in the Exchange after grinding DL to convert to EC.

Majestics idea is a good one and would show some love to those who risk subscribing to STO.
Price the new Ships at $25 a piece, make them character restricted and if you drop one you must rebuy it. Seems fair to me and Cryptic still makes thier money.
Yes, I second and third majestic's idea. What bothers me most is not the gambling aspect but the fact that when I buy a lock box key, the purchase is not a KDF purchase; it is a faction-neutral purchase. In other words, it does not demonstrate that I am supporting KDF. Even if I buy keys because I want to get the science ship, my purchase does not indicate my support of KDF.

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# 34
09-27-2012, 07:31 AM
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Yes, I second and third majestic's idea. What bothers me most is not the gambling aspect but the fact that when I buy a lock box key, the purchase is not a KDF purchase; it is a faction-neutral purchase. In other words, it does not demonstrate that I am supporting KDF. Even if I buy keys because I want to get the science ship, my purchase does not indicate my support of KDF.
And yet when push comes to shove in any debate on the issue, faction specific revenue is the evidence given to not further KDF development in leui of other projects.
Funny how that works, isn't it?
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# 35
09-28-2012, 03:43 AM
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And yet when push comes to shove in any debate on the issue, faction specific revenue is the evidence given to not further KDF development in leui of other projects.
Funny how that works, isn't it?
Odds are the vast majority of these so called resources are funneled into the creation of new grind fest games. Its pretty easy to guage how much money these lock boxes have made them. It is also pretty easy to see for every dollar spent less than a penny goes into actual new content that isn't grind fest required.

Edit: Also for some of the more talented foundry authors if say they worked for a week just on their lunch break and access to the same tools they could probally push the equivalent of a season per week. Wellll maybe a month have to test usually helps find bugs and stuff

Last edited by zeuxidemus001; 09-28-2012 at 03:54 AM.
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# 36
09-28-2012, 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by zeuxidemus001 View Post
Odds are the vast majority of these so called resources are funneled into the creation of new grind fest games. Its pretty easy to guage how much money these lock boxes have made them. It is also pretty easy to see for every dollar spent less than a penny goes into actual new content that isn't grind fest required.

Edit: Also for some of the more talented foundry authors if say they worked for a week just on their lunch break and access to the same tools they could probally push the equivalent of a season per week. Wellll maybe a month have to test usually helps find bugs and stuff
I understand. I merely find it funny how revenue is both used to gauge the KDFs "worth" in STO as far as new content incomming for us while at the same time if asked that revenue is treated as agnostic and used where ever it pleases them and is called un faction specific.
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# 37
09-29-2012, 06:33 AM
Other than being a Science vessel, the console from the Korath has been a bit lackluster. The Mannheim console is good (Shard of possibilities in space) but the cooldown feels long for its value. Should have been a device, not a console.

Been toying with the mirror variant set up like a Raptor and I may just ditch the rewind console for something more DPSy.

Sorry for the detail, just noting - this is no bugship uber must have box ship. At least, not the way I have been playing the mirror ship. Science setups would likely have a different experience.
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# 38
09-29-2012, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by gradstudent1 View Post
What bothers me most is not the gambling aspect but the fact that when I buy a lock box key, the purchase is not a KDF purchase; it is a faction-neutral purchase.
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Originally Posted by bitemepwe View Post
I understand. I merely find it funny how revenue is both used to gauge the KDFs "worth" in STO as far as new content incomming for us while at the same time if asked that revenue is treated as agnostic and used where ever it pleases them and is called un faction specific.

I imagine they have a metric that would measure how many of the "Temporal Science Vessels" are opened on a particular faction.

That is to say, if you have a (faction neutral) 'Temporal Science Vessel' and open it on a KDF character it will unlock as a Korrath.

Alternatively, if you spend 800 lobi and purchase a Krenn they should be able to track this as well.

On top of that, simply purchasing a key from while on a KDF character is also something they should be able to track and measure.
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