Ensign
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# 1 That ol' Akira/Defiant gripe
09-25-2012, 11:52 AM
I said it once and it still bugs me so I'll say it again: The Akira class is not a Commander class vessel, the Defiant is. That simple. A 100+ crewed vessel, that according to cannon was designed to be a heavy combat and exploration starship is clearly a ship meant to be commanded by a captain. A 50 man crewed escort no mater how well gunned is meant to be commanded by a commander. As a result you have a well designed battle cruiser that is under gunned, under protected, and under equiped.
while I love the Defiants design, firepower, and toughness it is simply made to be commaned by a starfleet commander. Even in the series, Sisco was given the ship while still a commander. He only held on to it when promoted because it proved to be a good ship and it was his perogative to hold on to it. But more often than not it was commanded by Worf or Dax who were both commanders. It doesn't do a fine class like the Akira justice to be sold short like that.
Usualy I am not so nit-picky but this one realy sets my teeth on edge.
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# 2
09-25-2012, 11:56 AM
In a time of war, which STO is set, any rank can be assigned to 'captain' virtually any ship. Of course the most skilled officers tend to get the better ships but in the game's timeline both the Akira and Defiant are decades old. They're not the prime ships of the Federation.
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# 3
09-25-2012, 12:03 PM
True. I understand the "anyone can be a captain" principle and approve. My complaint is that the game layout of the ship is set for commanders rank which is a basic mistake. the Akira is much too powerful of a ship for such a layout. Also cannon wise (which usualy I can be flexible) it simply doesn't make sense. Every time I go to ship aquisitions it makes me wince.
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# 4
09-25-2012, 12:08 PM
From a canon perspective we have no idea how powerful an Akira is - nor do we have any point of reference stating it's equal to a Defiant. It's a judgement call; and the Defiant is clearly more iconic and well known of the two ship Classes so it makes more sense that it would get the Captain spot on the chart. The whole point of the Captain Rank is to give us access to the 3 iconic ships of the era.
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# 5
09-25-2012, 12:17 PM
Production Base: ASDB Integration Facility, Antares Fleet Yards, Antares IV.
■ Type: Heavy Cruiser.
■ Accommodation: 500 officers and crew; 4,500 personnel evacuation limit.
■ Power Plant: One 1,500 plus Cochrane warp core feeding two nacelles; one impulse system.
■ Dimensions: Length, 464.43 meters; beam, 316.67 meters; height, 87.43 meters.
■ Mass: 3,055,000 metric tonnes.
■ Performance: Warp 9.8 for 12 hours.
■ Armament: Six type-10 phaser emitters; two photon torpedo launchers.
From the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Technical Manual

A quote from the designer Alex Jeager:

"Set nestled between the catamaran split secondary hulls the bridge is nicely protected. Just on either side of the bridge in a notch on top of the secondary hulls are the shield generators. This further protects the command unit of the ship since one of its duties is launching smaller craft, communication protection is a must. At the back of the bridge there are emissary docking hatches and just below that the circular hatch is the captain's lifeboat. The rear view at the back of the saucer is the main shuttle bay and shuttle control center. This area is also well protected tucked down between the hulls and below the weapons pod flanked by the Nacelles. This serves as a safe haven for the smaller craft in a fire fight and a calm entry point. Also in this protected center region are most of the sensor arrays for the transporters and communications with the remainder of the sensors atop the weapons pod. Moving forward the notch in the front of the saucer is the forward launch bay doors(3). This is for the fast exit of small craft into battle. There are extra shield generators on either side of this notch as this would be a target for enemy ships. Surrounding most of the saucer section is the phaser array strip. Also on the saucer there are flanking torpedo launchers. At the rear of the saucer are the impulse engines. Underneath is the deflector dish, 2 flanking phaser arrays and a forward facing torpedo launcher. You'll also notice that the Akira class utilizes the escape pods from the Sovereign Class, but the panel details more like the Galaxy class. That's because I imagined this ship was commissioned right before the "E" and served as a testbed for the new escape pods. At the rear is the weapon's pod with spreads of both photon and quantum torpedo launchers. And of course the warp nacelles. This overall design makes for a much more narrow side profile and a more friendly crew environment as the engineering folks are no longer in 'the bowels' of the ship Also the crew get a better view of their own ship as the split hull allows for more windows and a view of the bridge, something that's not very common in the previous ship designs."[2]
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# 6
09-25-2012, 12:21 PM
The ship is an escort in STO because Cryptic needed ships to fill the DPS role. It's now a carrier. If you want a canon Akira, outfit it with Phaser arrays and Poton Torpedos, not cannons.
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# 7
09-25-2012, 12:24 PM
"This was my gunship/battlecruiser/aircraft carrier. It has 15 torpedo launchers and two shuttlebays ? one in front, with three doors, and one in the back. I really got into it with this one, with the whole idea that the front bay would be the launching bay, and then to return they'd come into the back, because they'd be protected by the rest of the ship." -Alex Jeager
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# 8
09-25-2012, 12:24 PM
It doesn't matter what the designer wanted it to be. It only matters as to what it is in canon - and in canon it's a secondary ship.

I get that it's your favorite ship but a dozen appearances of an Akira does not make it more important to Star Trek, or more iconic, then the Defiant. I don't even like the Defiant but I understand that it's use in DS9 and it's designation as a "warship" has to mean something.
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# 9
09-25-2012, 12:29 PM
The ship is an escort in STO because Cryptic needed ships to fill the DPS role. It's now a carrier. If you want a canon Akira, outfit it with Phaser arrays and Poton Torpedos, not cannons.



I understand that but it is still too big and powerful a design for the layout (Bridge Oficers, Cosoles and general stats) to be at commanders rank. The Defiant class is. I understand its iconic standing and I think it should be tricked out accordingly but it defies this old Treckies common sense. It just bothers me.
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# 10
09-25-2012, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by thecosmic1 View Post
It doesn't matter what the designer wanted it to be. It only matters as to what it is in canon - and in canon it's a secondary ship.

I get that it's your favorite ship but a dozen appearances of an Akira does not make it more important to Star Trek, or more iconic, then the Defiant. I don't even like the Defiant but I understand that it's use in DS9 and it's designation as a "warship" has to mean something.
That's the point. They are both warships. The Akira is simple a bigger and more powerful one.
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