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# 11
09-25-2012, 01:47 PM
By the way The Akira is not my favorite design. The Sabre is. And I think it's Lt. Commander ranking is just right for it and I stick with it all the way to Captain. I guess I have been a fan so long that things like that get under my skin.
I also think that putting the Defiant in the rank it belongs doesn't make it any less iconic. Just from my point of view makes it more "Treck".
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# 12
09-25-2012, 02:01 PM
I would have labelled the Akira an "escort cruiser" in the game, to acknowledge both its designated role and its size.
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# 13
09-25-2012, 02:12 PM
Originally Posted by hanover2 View Post
I would have labelled the Akira an "escort cruiser" in the game, to acknowledge both its designated role and its size.
My point exactly. All the other ship class rankings make sense from a pragmatic perspective except the Akira. The only reason for this I can see is from a marketing perspective. The Defiant is beter known, so it must be a Captain level ship. But why not just give it some special ability to agknowledge this and keep its general lay out where it makes some sense i.e. at commanders rank.
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# 14
09-25-2012, 02:51 PM
Take a look at the captain rank ships you can get for free on promotion.

I dont think they put all the thoughtt you are. They put the most famous ships of each series from each class. TNG DS9 and Voyager. When you got to be captain you got to chiose the tv series ship of your choice.
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# 15
09-25-2012, 03:01 PM
You are right. A marketing decision. But from a Treckies point a view not a very good one. IMHO.
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# 16
09-25-2012, 08:58 PM
While you are climbing the ranks this can be a bit irksome, but in the canon the defiant has a couple of things that make the decision a bit logical. The defiant has the special armor I forget the name of, and it has phaser cannons. This goes a long way in establishing the extra hp and firepower in the comparison. I think the normal Akira should have better shields though.

I like the Akira more than the Defiant as well, the important thing in situations like this is to look at the fleet level versions of the ship. When you do that it becomes more about the stats, and they seem to represent what we know about the two ships pretty well. The fleet Akira is more tankable, while the defiant has a bit more punch and maneuverability.
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# 17
09-27-2012, 04:46 AM
Another solution to the problem is to keep the iconic Defiant in the Captains rank put the much neglected Steamrunner in the commanders rank and put the Akira in the vice-abmirals ranking. That may make some sense then.
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# 18
09-27-2012, 11:41 PM
"From a canon perspective we have no idea how powerful an Akira is - nor do we have any point of reference stating it's equal to a Defiant."--

Actually according to cannon (actually in the show itself) the Akira named the Spector NCC-63549 lead the attack to recapture the Prometheus. It was escorted by the two defiant class star ships as back up, and its ALOT bigger then the defiant. In the same way destroyers would help escort cruisers.
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# 19
09-28-2012, 12:17 AM
the akira is one of the newest heavy cruiser designs starfleet has fielded, the other slightly newer being the sovereign. you can visibly see on the cgi model they used in the show a huge number of torpedo bays and a very long phaser array, longer then the sovereign's longest actually.

its an absurd notion to think the defiant could out gun an akira, the defiant was only a match for an 80 year old light cruiser. the excelsior is a MUCH older design, the akira is state of the art and has at least 50% more volume then an excelsior. it could take out an excelsior, or 2, easily.

ive long griped that the akira and defiant were at the wrong tier, glad im not the only one who noticed.
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# 20 further...
09-28-2012, 01:01 AM
You also have to admit that it is odd that Admirals are flying around as Captains of a single ships rather than commanding fleets...

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