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# 11
09-27-2012, 10:30 PM
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I like a Jenner - F with 6 small lasers and an XL300 engine
I prefer my beloved Cats myself.

Either 2 SRM6s, 2 Flamers and 2 med lasers

or 2 Large Lasers 2 LRM10s

or 2 flamers, 2 medium lasers, 1 UAC5

or 2 large lasers, 2 medium lasers
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# 12
09-28-2012, 12:22 AM
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I disagree...

Fleet Scourge... one of the best escorts in the game...
Fleet Raptor... Best raptor for sure, fixes almost every thing we didnt' like about the qin.

Sure they don't have 5 tac consoles... but imo anyway that's way overrated... the scourge is lean mean has a ton of shields and 3 sci slots to back em up... turns as well as anything outside a bug, has a great boff layout.

The Klink tier 2 escorts are killer.
yes, those kdf fleet escorts are better then fed escorts for the most part, but better then fed fleet escorts? hmm

if you have a scourge, would you mind checking what its impulse mod is? and then posting it here?

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...=354641&page=7

documenting this is important information for any potential buyers. i figure it out by checking the shield facing hp on a ship with a 1.0 shield mod, and then dividing that by the per facing hitpoints on the fleet ship in question. the result of the equation should be the shield mod
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# 13
09-28-2012, 05:41 AM
RED, RED and again RED!
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# 14
09-28-2012, 06:29 AM
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RED, RED and again RED!
You again... You blue lil' troll

IMO, fleet fed > fleet kdf. After leech goes blue, will be fed >> kdf.
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# 15
09-28-2012, 07:31 AM
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You again... You blue lil' troll

IMO, fleet fed > fleet kdf. After leech goes blue, will be fed >> kdf.
Did you forget?

Roach: The KDF got the best Fl battle cruisers

Husanak : I disagree...Fleet Scourge... one of the best escorts in the game...
Fleet Raptor... Best raptor for sure, fixes almost every thing we didnt' like about the qin.

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# 16
09-28-2012, 07:55 AM
Fed Scorts, by a comfortable margin.

Hell the SomRaw is only Comparable to an RA Fed Scort.
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# 17
09-28-2012, 08:19 AM
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Did you forget?

Roach: The KDF got the best Fl battle cruisers
Which I mentioned in my post.

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Husanak : I disagree...Fleet Scourge... one of the best escorts in the game...
Fleet Raptor... Best raptor for sure, fixes almost every thing we didnt' like about the qin.
The Fleet QIn is not an improved QIn since it still has the bad pivot, just has more Hull and an extra Engi console slot.

The Fleet Scourge, as others have pointed out, merely mirrors the best of the Fed existing escorts in function without surpassing. The Fleet Somraw is the same. SO we KDF got better Raptors in compariosn to what we already had but they still fall under the performance of the existing fed escorts.
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# 18
09-28-2012, 08:22 AM
Whichever one I'm NOT flying.
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# 19
09-28-2012, 11:50 AM
Well...the KDF got the most powerful (Battle) Cruisers and also Fleet Raiders and Raptors comparable to Fed Fleet Escorts...am I wrong?
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# 20
09-28-2012, 12:37 PM
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Well...the KDF got the most powerful (Battle) Cruisers and also Fleet Raiders and Raptors comparable to Fed Fleet Escorts...am I wrong?
Yes, you're wrong. at this point, the Raiders and Raptors in the Fleet store are just about EQUIVALENT to the Feds' NON-Fleet Escorts, with a few places where they are badly behind.

Picked up a Fleet Norgh last night (yes, the one with less hull than a Runabout and a shield modifier that would make a Fed Tier 2 ship cringe). While it's much punchier than the base model Norgh, and while it has more BoFFs than a Hegh'ta, running MkXII weapons at 125% power, three identical consoles and all one weapon/energy type, still not up there DPS wise with the standard RA level Federation 'scort wiht only a small advantage in manueverability and a LOT less hull AND shield protection (even running Fleet deflector AND KHG mkXII shields.)

There is almost no team (and damn few Kerrat Pugs) where you're not going to find your Cloak pretty much penetrated-at-will by a standard (non optimized) Sci ship or Sci captain(that's speccing FULL ON in Stealth with modules), your damage boost from decloaking lasts 5 seconds where your Fed equivalent can shoot with a 20+% superiority in weapons output if he's not even half asleep ALL DAY, and the list goes on and on.

Now, when the FEds roll out with THEIR fleet ships, lockbox birds, etc. the gap gets really, really wide. Fact is, the BEST combat birds in the raider class still only match up to the stats of the Fed fleet (Hoh'sus roughly equivalent to, not superior to, standard advanced escort, B'rel's trick only works against nearly blind opposition, etc.)

The only way KDF wins the field in mixed company, is because of the good fortune of having some Feds who don't know what they're doing, or who manage to get caught out alone against 2 or more of us-once it goes Fedball, it's all over but the kill counter for "A good day to die".

it doesn't MATTER if your Raptor does lots of damage, either-it can't get its guns to bear thanks to the Pivot, and Turrets just don't do enough damage to matter by themselves-not so much a problem against Cruisers (though max alpha rarely gets the shield icons yellow on a Cruiser when you're soloing with a raptor or raider when tech levels are the same), but your comparison is like-with-like, and Raiders are "like" mostly to Escorts, while Raptors are classed the same in spite of Cruiser handling, and against FedScorts, you have two things you MUST do-hit, and do damage.

1 on 1 with a Fedscort of the same tech level (Tier) with a BoP and you're not going to get through his defenses before he's either moved, or turned the tables, while on a Raptor you're pretty much hoping his shields were gimped by prior damage because you're NOT going to be able to get guns to bear long enough to get through them. in either case, once he's turned tables on you, he's got more shields, more guns, and more hull against a BoP, and better turn radius and handling to bring his guns to bear against the Raptor (along WITH better hull and shields.)

Playing KDF you ARE playing David vs. Goliath...and therein lies the Glory, but don't kid yourself about being equal in any statistically meaningful way to your opposition.

Last edited by patrickngo; 09-28-2012 at 12:42 PM.
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