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# 21
10-08-2012, 10:08 AM
I have PL, I have maxed flow cap skill. It gives you +16 to each power level NOT 64, and that's only after you have shot your enemy 8 times. Stop the lies and spreading of misinformation! Also the power drain only stacks to -16 no matter how many PL users are shooting ya and that's only if you have nothing in power insulators, so it is not OP anymore stop being silly.
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# 22
10-08-2012, 10:17 AM
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So a grand total of 64 points if you add all the +16s together. Thats misleading and makes the PL sound far worse than it is.

If one is skilled in Power insulators the drain from PL is almost nonexistant and balances out to being equal to the power gains of the MACO for the user.
No it makes it sound as powerful as it actually is. Its not like only weapon power or shield power benefits you. Every ship enjoys high power levels in every subsystem.

You are saying if a person is specced to resist power drains (not a certainty) then they can negate the drain aspect by using the MACO shield. Ok. Maybe. So how does that person with the MACO shield negate the 64 extra power the klingon gets?

The 2 effects of the leech console are OP individually. Together there is no justification for it. Anyone who disagrees is simply not willing to accept the truth.

+64 total power settings is the equivalent of 16 engineering consoles. Thats like getting a tac console that does +480% energy weapon damage. No one could look at that and not see its overpowered.

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# 23
10-08-2012, 11:04 AM
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No it makes it sound as powerful as it actually is. Its not like only weapon power or shield power benefits you. Every ship enjoys high power levels in every subsystem.

You are saying if a person is specced to resist power drains (not a certainty) then they can negate the drain aspect by using the MACO shield. Ok. Maybe. So how does that person with the MACO shield negate the 64 extra power the klingon gets?

The 2 effects of the leech console are OP individually. Together there is no justification for it. Anyone who disagrees is simply not willing to accept the truth.

+64 total power settings is the equivalent of 16 engineering consoles. Thats like getting a tac console that does +480% energy weapon damage. No one could look at that and not see its overpowered.
The drain isn't that powerful. Anyone who PvPs should be spec'ing into power insulators regardless if there was a Plas Leech console or not. Most builds should be using plas leech themselves or MACO or any other of the many ways to gain power.

The gain is OP, it's been nearly a year now since it's been pointed out.

But so's a bunch of other crap in the game including the MACO shield (high cap, high regen, resiliant, 10% resists, not to mention the power gain when being shot). If you want OP lets talk about Aux2Batt w/Doff and it's 30% reduction of Boff recharges AND the huge power gain from Aux powers (potentionally even bigger than Plas Leech gain). How bout any of the Lotto ships (not even including the newest batch of lolz). Fed Fleet scorts? KDF Fleet Torkaht? Carrier Debuff Pets being better than Sci Boff debuffs? Crappy Eng Captain roles, bad Sci drain/shield stripping Boffs, OP Drain Doff abilities, +hull consumables etc.

Really we could go on for a long time. The imbalance isn't going to change even if you just removed plas leech. It seems self serving tbh to only bring up the one small aspect of a much bigger problem. Also, if you're going to use the +64 you should mention it's out of ~500 potential power (125x4) for proper context.
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# 24
10-08-2012, 11:47 AM
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MACO shields does add 10 to each power level giving it a potential + 40 to all power levels in all.

Still Plasmonic Leech can give you 64 with a possible - 64 to your enemy's power levels for a possible total of 128 in differential.

And i still ask is this balanced in a game where you otherwise have to nickle and dime your powerlevels?

Is the stacking a necessary feature in these two items?
If you think you need to nickle and dime your power levels you don't really understand the game yet. It's stupidly easy to run at 125 across the board as other people have pointed out in this thread.

This -64 total drain also assumes no skill in power insulators. Given that it's such a low tier skill there's no excuse for not protecting yourself.
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Lol sure.

Leech console: -32 total power settings to your opponent (halved the value for resistances) AND +64 total power settings to yourself.

MACO shields: +40 total power settings to yourself.

Yeah. Those 2 effects are clearly balanced. LOL.

And don't go pretending the MACO requirement that you get shot is easier to fill than you simply having to fire your weapons. You know thats bull.
Stop, take a breath, and listen to what I'm about to say. You are making a completely false comparison. You are ignoring that the MACO +40 to power settings comes as a bonus on a really, really good shield. High cap and resilient, these two things are already powerful, plus a 10% resist on damage to the shield. Then you're throwing a power level bonus on top of it. The leech comes at the cost of a console. Turn rate, armor, shield cap, energy specific tac console; one has to be traded to get this effect. 5% hull dr when your shields are up is huge, so please, take this into account if you want to pretend you are concerned with balance.

Leech has a cost and a counter. It's fine as is.

Last edited by redricky; 10-08-2012 at 11:50 AM. Reason: Forgot the MACO additional 10%
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# 25
10-08-2012, 11:54 AM
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You are saying if a person is specced to resist power drains (not a certainty) then they can negate the drain aspect by using the MACO shield. Ok. Maybe. So how does that person with the MACO shield negate the 64 extra power the klingon gets?
No. I said the drain from a PL against a player who is skilled in the Power insulators skills is easily dismissed by the target as the PL will not drain hardly anything from them in the process.

That means like a MACO user, the PL user is barely gaining more than the MACO user would in bonus power.



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The 2 effects of the leech console are OP individually. Together there is no justification for it. Anyone who disagrees is simply not willing to accept the truth.
The PL only has one effect.
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# 26
10-08-2012, 12:09 PM
It's funny how you compare a (good) shield with a console whose only reason to be is the power drain/gain. Of course the console is more powerful, it has no other effects. The shield is still a fairly high capped resilient (and plasma resistant) shield.
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# 27
10-08-2012, 01:04 PM
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You are saying if a person is specced to resist power drains (not a certainty) then they can negate the drain aspect by using the MACO shield. Ok. Maybe.
Not maybe. For certain. Power insulators are very effective. It would do more good to whine that the Inertial Dampers skill does nothing to help tractor beam resistance. That is actually deserving of a fix.
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So how does that person with the MACO shield negate the 64 extra power the klingon gets?
How does a KDF player negate the +40 MACO bonus? Or the magnetoplasma relays? Or the heavy graviton beam? Seriously dude, get over it.

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The 2 effects of the leech console are OP individually. Together there is no justification for it. Anyone who disagrees is simply not willing to accept the truth.
People who speak in absolutes are usually not willing to accept that they are closed minded idiots. Usually.

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+64 total power settings is the equivalent of 16 engineering consoles. Thats like getting a tac console that does +480% energy weapon damage. No one could look at that and not see its overpowered.
You're comparing this to the eng consoles that add like +4 power at most, right? This is an idiotic comparison. There is no comparing a Plasma Distribution Manifold to a Phaser Relay. One is a must-have and one is useless. If you are slotting a Plasma Distribution Manifold you don't know how to build a ship. Those power level specific consoles are woefully underpowered and not a fair comparison.
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# 28
10-10-2012, 10:23 PM
Feds aren't getting the Leech console, so relax. The rumor is unfounded and simply "mental self-love".

That said, it is a great console. Even if you don't spec into Flow Capacitors, you can easily get 2-3 extra points per system - not a bad tradeoff...
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