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# 21
10-06-2012, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by empireofsteve View Post
But then I would have to single handedly destroy them again.
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Captain
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 1,821
# 22
10-06-2012, 07:46 PM
Most new cruiser players have no idea there
Role I'n this game is to be avTac players wet nurse
And diaper changer

They think there I'n command of a battleship
Or bad mofo cruiser. It's not until they reach level 50 most
Find out the terrible truth about there ship
And character.it's very hard to finally realize
You can't compete because you made the wrong choice
I'n character and ship class.

I really don't blame them one bit for their selfish
Builds lack of team healing skills.

STO is the blame not the new players

They should make a dedicated repair class
And character class that is well defined I'n character
Creation , then you would have dedicated repair
Captions I'n dedicated ships

Cruisers and battleships should assume the role
They have always had throughout time.


Don't blame the players blame STO
Jellico....Engineer.....Stargazer KDF Tac
Saphire.. Science.....Ko'el Rom Kdf Tac
Leva........Tactical.....Mailu KDF Sci

JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
Captain
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# 23
10-06-2012, 08:50 PM
I say we just blame it on the rain.
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# 24
10-06-2012, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by skurf View Post
Why is it that in general Feds just suck at PvP compared to KDF players? I love my Fleet Defiant, but dammit, it's just not fun getting owned 80% of the time in one-sided blowouts. I was just in a match with 3 cruisers and another Defiant for team mates. At the beginning I asked the cruisers to please team heal if they see someone getting focused on or if someone is damaged. For the entire match, I was the only one to ever throw out any team heals, and at the end of the match I asked why they never team healed. The one answer I got was I should stop whining and fly a healing cruiser if I want heals. I regularly have 3-5 times as much damage as the next highest person on my team, and I'm really not very good at all. I don't understand how none of my team mates can even get above 50k damage and still not throw out any team heals at all. What exactly is their thought process that leads them to think team healing is not necessary and that if you want heals you should fly a cruiser. It's just very frustrating to fly PUGs on the Fed side to where I hardly get to fly my Defiant at all simply because I know I can log onto my KDF character and have team mates that actually know how to play.

/rant
Same reason people call foul when you spam them to death with simply high-low mix-ups in fighting games. They are completely wound up in their own preconceptions of what the game is and have no interest in learning what the rules of the game really are.
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# 25
10-06-2012, 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
its definitely the ships, a lot of good players have characters on both sides, the difference is the ships.
It's really not the ships. The best ships in the game are cross-faction. Recluse is the best healer, Bugship is the best escort, and the temporal science ships are the best science vessels. On top of everything the KDF still has access to some very powerful toys that the federation doesn't.

SP's Klingon fleet used to be just as good, if not better, than our Fed fleet. The only reason we don't field our Klingon's anymore is because nobody feels like grinding all of this per-character bull**** on more than one or two toons.

Here's the truth: The best players in the game gravitate towards playing federation because a good KDF premade will empty out the FvK queues after a couple of matches, and Klingons don't queue for KvK for whatever reason. If you want to make a premade and you want to actually play the game without waiting hours between matches, you fly Fed side.
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# 26
10-07-2012, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by hurleybird View Post
It's really not the ships. The best ships in the game are cross-faction. Recluse is the best healer, Bugship is the best escort, and the temporal science ships are the best science vessels. On top of everything the KDF still has access to some very powerful toys that the federation doesn't.

SP's Klingon fleet used to be just as good, if not better, than our Fed fleet. The only reason we don't field our Klingon's anymore is because nobody feels like grinding all of this per-character bull**** on more than one or two toons.

Here's the truth: The best players in the game gravitate towards playing federation because a good KDF premade will empty out the FvK queues after a couple of matches, and Klingons don't queue for KvK for whatever reason. If you want to make a premade and you want to actually play the game without waiting hours between matches, you fly Fed side.
klink premades don't do it much cause, of what happened pre season 2.

Hour long matches, without a shot fired.

Thanks stardagger. You worthless sack of rp crap

Rather that used to be the reason. Now it's cause frankly there's not much K left period to fill 2 sides of a que on a given night.
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# 27
10-07-2012, 02:52 AM
I don't understand, i've started doing FvK as a bit of a change, until then i'd steered clear of the Klinks are they were always really good. But recently they seem worse then fed pugs. Maybe it's the people I play with, maybe it's the times I play? They're carriers seems squishy, they're BOPs are too stupid to act like bops and insist on staying still even when 3 people are coming down on them, and the raptors seem to pack a punch.

I want moar klinks! The stereotype isn't living up to itself for me.
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# 28
10-07-2012, 03:34 AM
Maybe you're lucky not to meet them...when the evil Klinguns at Ker'rat fight in well teamed targ packs of Bops, Qin, Bortasqu, Kar'fi and Vo'quv...well...thank goodness we Feds have large stocks of vaseline!
And now they are deploying also the terrific Fleet Battle Cruisers...
But why in this game we Kirks have to bear our disgusting cruisers?
Evil Klinguns? No! Evil Devs!
K D F - Killing Disadvantaged Feds
K D F - The evul way to play Sto
F E D - Fighting Evul Drunkards
Adm. Marcus orders: Punish the evul Klinguns! Punish the evul HOBOs! And nuclearize Qo'noS once and for all!
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# 29
10-07-2012, 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by hurleybird View Post
It's really not the ships. The best ships in the game are cross-faction. Recluse is the best healer, Bugship is the best escort, and the temporal science ships are the best science vessels. On top of everything the KDF still has access to some very powerful toys that the federation doesn't.

SP's Klingon fleet used to be just as good, if not better, than our Fed fleet. The only reason we don't field our Klingon's anymore is because nobody feels like grinding all of this per-character bull**** on more than one or two toons.

Here's the truth: The best players in the game gravitate towards playing federation because a good KDF premade will empty out the FvK queues after a couple of matches, and Klingons don't queue for KvK for whatever reason. If you want to make a premade and you want to actually play the game without waiting hours between matches, you fly Fed side.
i knew i should have qualified that with 'not counting the lockbox ships, that are the best'. the kdf do have tactics they can exploit, not counting broken ass siphon drones, to a devastating degree, but it can be hard to catch fed teams of equal skill flat footed. back when there was a SP kdf team, i bet science worked a lot better too. with how close the margins are for a kill or not, the minor advantage nearly all fed ships have does seem to make the difference during the healing deadlocks. again, not counting when the lockbox ships are running the show
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# 30
10-07-2012, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by skurf View Post
Why is it that in general Feds just suck at PvP compared to KDF players? I love my Fleet Defiant, but dammit, it's just not fun getting owned 80% of the time in one-sided blowouts. I was just in a match with 3 cruisers and another Defiant for team mates. At the beginning I asked the cruisers to please team heal if they see someone getting focused on or if someone is damaged. For the entire match, I was the only one to ever throw out any team heals, and at the end of the match I asked why they never team healed. The one answer I got was I should stop whining and fly a healing cruiser if I want heals. I regularly have 3-5 times as much damage as the next highest person on my team, and I'm really not very good at all. I don't understand how none of my team mates can even get above 50k damage and still not throw out any team heals at all. What exactly is their thought process that leads them to think team healing is not necessary and that if you want heals you should fly a cruiser. It's just very frustrating to fly PUGs on the Fed side to where I hardly get to fly my Defiant at all simply because I know I can log onto my KDF character and have team mates that actually know how to play.

/rant
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