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# 51
10-08-2012, 08:01 AM
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feds Also Have By Far Superior Heal Cruisers. Both In Flash Heals, And Hot Applications, Both Because Of Superior Ship Statistics For Sustained Fighting, And Because They Have On Average Far Superior Bridge Officer Layouts.

Feds Also Have Superior Dedicated Sci Ships As Well. The Kdf Has Bops. No I'm Not Going To Say "they Have A Sci Ship The Varunus!" Because The Varunus Is A Flying Turd. It's A Dssv. That's A Crap Ship. The Thing Is Sci Birds, Are Alot More Timing Dependent Due To Their Limited Durability Capability Compared To A Fed Sci Ship. You Lose Alot More Opportunity Windows With The Sci Bop, Vs The Fed Sci Ship.

Which Brings Us To Escorts, The Best Kdf Fleet Escorts, Are Only On Par With The Free Ra Level Fed Escorts. They Aren't As Tough, Nor Possess The Proper Consoles Of A Given Fed Fleet Scort. The Best One, Doesn't Even Cloak. Which Imo Is A No No For A Non Carrier Kdf Team.

In A Non Lock Box Fight (good Luck Ever Finding Those What A Load Of Crap This Game Has Become ), The Feds, Out Right Have Superior Ships Across The Board. The Only Real Escort The Kdf Has And It's Not Even An Escort That Competes Against Fleet Escorts Fed Side Is The Fleet Vorcha, And It Only Does So Because It Can Absorb A Great Many Hits, And Still Do High Damage, And Or If Need Be Throw Down A Flash Heal Or Two Down Range.

"klinks Have Better Console Toys!" And That Doesn't Even Come Close To Making Up The Gap In Ship Chassis, Against Skilled Teams. Two Teams Of Even Skill Level The Kdf Will Lose More Often Than Not Due To The Out Right Superiority Of The Fed Ship Chassis. When The Kdf Beats You Like You Are A Red Headed Step Child, And They Aren't Using Siphon Drones, You Frankly Just Got Out Played.

Now What About Stuff Like The Soooper Dooper Tbr The Kdf Has? Worthles Sif The Enemy Specs In Id. Iso Charge? Once Every 3 Minutes. Ontop Of That, It's Range Is Rather Short. And It's Very Easily Defeated By Ubiquitous Mine Spam In Pvp, Photonic Fleets, And Carrier Trash. Theta Vent? It's Literal Only Effect Is A Slow, A Slow Which Is Not As Effective As Warp Plasmas Slow And Doesn't Apply A Real Dot Like Warp Plas Either.

Assims? If You're A Fed Team Not Packing Torps Anyway You Deserve To Lose In Fvk. Torps Are Bar None The Best Anti Battle Cloak Weapon In The Game. Their Burst Is Highly Reliable. They Will Still Chase A Bop When It Runs Out. They Can Be Loaded Up With Ts Instead Of Thy To Deal With Carrier Trash. And With The New Broadside Torp For Fed Cruisers, You Really Have No Excuse Not To Have At Least 1 Ship Running Torpedoes In Fvk. Don't Believe Me About Their Impact In Fvk? Just Ask Emojoe Just How Many Times He Has Run From Me On A Failed Alpha Run Only To Have My Hy2 Smite Him Down, Ask Akfortyseven A Crap Ton Of Other Former Rzr Guys, And God Rest His Soul Kharn. For That Matter, Ask Them How Many Times They've Been Severely Damaged By Decloaking At The Wrong Time When Someone Loosed Off A Torp Spread, And It Hit Them Before Their Shields Came Up.

Plasmonic Leech? It's Drain Is Seriously Like 5. Period, Against A Real Pvpers Ship. You Get More Maco Bonus Than You Get Drained Out Of Leech. It's Best Asset Is The +16 To +24 Power You Get. And That Costs A Console Slot To Do It Vs The Passive +10 That You Get By Having A Shield That You Honestly Should Be Using Anyway.

Barrier Field? Very Situational, Very Build Dependent And Takes A Great Deal Of Finesse To Properly Deploy. It's A Gimmick At Best.
Those Are The Best Consoles The Kdf Has To Offer, Most Consistently. And In Every Single Case They Are Either Beatable By What Should Be Standard Fare Spec, Or Equipment.

Now, Yes Siphon Drones? Duh They Are Cripplingly Op. No One Is Going To Argue That That Has A Brain In Their Skull Anyway. The Thing Is, That's Literally The Only Thing The Kdf Really Has Over The Feds, And Even Then Frankly Danubes Are A Close Second In Terms Of Sheer Havoc They Wreck.
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# 52
10-08-2012, 08:21 AM
Buried by a wall of words...help, help...I can't breathe!
A skilled Fed all knows this, but the average Fed will always be at a disadvantage against the evil Klinguns!
Hi Roach...I knew you'd be happy!
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# 53
10-08-2012, 08:27 AM
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Buried by a wall of words...help, help...I can't breathe!
A skilled Fed all knows this, but the average Fed will always be at a disadvantage against the evil Klinguns!
Hi Roach...I knew you'd be happy!
The only thing keeping the average Fed Pug down is their deplorable lack of a Give em Hell attitude. When I do pvp I make it my special mission to do my damndest to either vape my targets, or make my opponents lives as miserable as I can without opening my wallet. Be it through raw damage, or cc with an mvam. Or, with timing my heals to maximum effect. (of course even my heal boat will still have a CC or two on it)

If they would improve their attitude and outlook, their victory totals would rise accordingly.
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# 54
10-08-2012, 08:37 AM
Ah...I agree on this, many Feds don't have the right attitude to win!
But the right attitude comes with experience because it's really difficult for an average Fed understand how to be aggressive against a ruthless enemy.
K D F - Killing Disadvantaged Feds
K D F - The evul way to play Sto

Adm. Marcus orders: Punish the evul Klinguns! Punish the evul HOBOs! And nuclearize Qo'nos once and for all!

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# 55
10-08-2012, 09:07 AM
Most know my distain for the empire. Only reason I rolled a Klink is to better understand how to kill one.
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# 56
10-08-2012, 09:12 AM
I did the same!
K D F - Killing Disadvantaged Feds
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# 57
10-08-2012, 09:13 AM
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Ah...I agree on this, many Feds don't have the right attitude to win!
But the right attitude comes with experience because it's really difficult for an average Fed understand how to be aggressive against a ruthless enemy.
Aggression has never been a problem of mine. People have to tell me to stop killing at times.
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# 58
10-08-2012, 09:21 AM
I already realized it!
K D F - Killing Disadvantaged Feds
K D F - The evul way to play Sto

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# 59
10-08-2012, 09:23 AM
I will not say I am an awesome PVPer, I'm not, but during the few PVP matches I play, the quality of KDF players has gone down considerably.

I hope that with enough advice, I can help usher in a new era of PVP awesomness....without using OP consoles.
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# 60
10-08-2012, 09:30 AM
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I will not say I am an awesome PVPer, I'm not, but during the few PVP matches I play, the quality of KDF players has gone down considerably.
I've joked in a few games about this particular phenomenon over the years.

There are two sides. One side complains the other side is OP. They have the bright idea of rerolling to the other side.

Suddenly, things start to appear more balanced...

...what changed?
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