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# 31
10-12-2012, 06:14 AM
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I agree the Chimera is abit 'Bulky' , specifically in the hull area. Reposition the pylons to put necles on an angle and abit lower and throw a 2409 style hull on her and it would be closer to what a Cruiser Escort would be. I think the class might be better called the Interceptor class rather than Destroyer maybe. To me destroyer sounds more like a larger ship all about Fire power and an unmoveable object.
Personally i like the "bulkyness" of the chimera class.
The only thing i would change is the Deflector/Hull thing benath the saucer section, i would have moved that bulge to the back so the pylons would look more integrated to the ship. I think Cryptics devs always have to add a design element that makes something look strange or bad.


What i don't like about the vesta, sovereign and odyssey style are the fragile looking pylons in combination with laughable huge Nacelles. For me that looks way to breakable for a combat focused ship. It looks like Kirks 1701 but not like a 24/25th century starfleet ship.
I like compact and elegant designs much more. But that's just my personal preference.


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# 32
10-12-2012, 07:40 AM
huge nacelles ? sovereign maybe , vesta , not so much http://trekazoid.files.wordpress.com.../aventine1.png
i agree on the pylons though , they do seem to be getting thinner and thinner

have you seen the Abbe class ? its a ship we'll never see in game , but seems a good description of the kind of class you're mentioning here , even if it doesnt have the classic layout http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/20...terprise_E.jpg
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# 33
10-12-2012, 09:12 AM
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huge nacelles ? sovereign maybe , vesta , not so much http://trekazoid.files.wordpress.com.../aventine1.png
i agree on the pylons though , they do seem to be getting thinner and thinner

have you seen the Abbe class ? its a ship we'll never see in game , but seems a good description of the kind of class you're mentioning here , even if it doesnt have the classic layout http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/20...terprise_E.jpg
That's just a "Nebularized" contitution class, a Hull/Saucer/nacelle configuration like this looks just too compressed. There are no nice looking lines anymore, no elegance.
No, that's really not what was talking about.

Here is a interesting and much better looking Nebula variant. Much less compressed, but still more compact than a (already compact) Galaxy Class.


The most important for me is that a Starships design makes the ship look as one unit. Elegant, fluid lines and a balanced general shape are most important in my opinion. Maybe you know the Achilles Class from the Game: Dominion War. LINK
Or even some Star Cruiser configurations: LINK
I am not a friend of Galaxy Class kitbashes but i think this and this design looks much more blanced than a Galaxy -X.


On Topic:
For a 25th century hybrid vessel i would recommend some of these designs:
The Insignia Class, i know that's not what the author of this thread has in mind, but i think a ship design like this would be a nice alternative ship model for the Hybrid ship.

This is another design i made myself some time ago. My goal was to create a modernized Ambassador Class, but i think it could partly work as a Hybrid vessel.

Maybe this could be another possible design, i especially like this little and simple design.
I think the thread starter has something more like this in mind.


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# 34
10-12-2012, 11:28 AM
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[font="Verdana"][color="SandyBrown"]Personally i like the "bulkyness" of the chimera class.
The only thing i would change is the Deflector/Hull thing benath the saucer section, i would have moved that bulge to the back so the pylons would look more integrated to the ship. I think Cryptics devs always have to add a design element that makes something look strange or bad.
Don't get me wrong I think the Chimera class is a great looking ship, I mean that I see a Cruiser Escort as abit more sleek and stream line , like a Lamborghini Gallardo (in car speak) not like a Range Rover Evouque.
If that makes sense like.
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# 35
10-12-2012, 12:24 PM
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huge nacelles ? sovereign maybe , vesta , not so much http://trekazoid.files.wordpress.com.../aventine1.png
i agree on the pylons though , they do seem to be getting thinner and thinner

have you seen the Abbe class ? its a ship we'll never see in game , but seems a good description of the kind of class you're mentioning here , even if it doesnt have the classic layout http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/20...terprise_E.jpg
That's a good picture of the Vesta. Better than most I've seen.

If the Vesta were about 3/4 the size of the Sovereign, or just larger than an Intrepid, I could see myself flying that class of ship, especially if it was Tactically oriented.

The question is if Cryptic will make the Vesta a slow, fat cow of a cruiser knockoff, like the Nebula is, making it virtually worthless as a science ship. I would hope they would not do that, but it seems the main course for ships in STO. Cruisers, and variants of cruisers.
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# 36
10-13-2012, 07:28 PM
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[font=Verdana][color=SandyBrown]Here is a interesting and much better looking Nebula variant. Much less compressed, but still more compact than a (already compact) Galaxy Class.
I know that you just didn't say "(already compact)" and "Galaxy Class" in one sentence. That's like saying "(already compact)" and "Lincoln Town Car" in one sentence.
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# 37
10-13-2012, 08:05 PM
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I know that you just didn't say "(already compact)" and "Galaxy Class" in one sentence. That's like saying "(already compact)" and "Lincoln Town Car" in one sentence.
I don't know about you, but for me the overall shape of a Galaxy Class looks more compact than a Sovereign or Odyssey for example.
A car analogy? Now you dissappoint me...
Is that all, your attempt to annoy me (again) failed hard.


@rrincy: true the vesta doesn't have huge nacelles but the pylons seem to get thinner with every new ship. It seems that this style is very popular nowadays, the Odysseys pylons are very thin compared to it's nacelles too. I don't like that very much. It looks way too fragile, especailly when the rest of the ship looks much more sturdy.

I'm over and over amazed how unimaginitive some Starship designs are, some have some really creative design approaches (like the Odysseys twin neck) but then they end as just another Sovereign clone. Most of the time Star Trek designs just combine old design elements in a weird way. Althrough the skill is to redesign those elements in a way that makes them look new and different but still powerful and elegant.

I miss designs that break new ground and still have an appealing look.
Just look at perpetuas design concepts then you see the opposite of what i am talking about, lol.

On the other hand if you look at Starship designs outside Star Trek, then most Earth ships look just like huge rifles or machineguns.
In my opinion 25th century Starship design should resemble some Star Cruisers (Avanger Class) look, elegant and fluid lines but still very sturdy looking.
I know space whales.. but i think it has a certain charm once you get into it.
I would have found it interesting if this basic shape would have been the new leading design for Starfleet in STO. I think it would have been the logical continuation of Galaxy Class and Sovereign design.
(on the other hand, maybe it looks too far advanced)

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# 38
10-14-2012, 12:48 AM
Totally and completely off topic, but if you want a beautiful ship, look at the covenant supercarrier here. Great view of the ship, and also just leaves you kinda with the jaw dropped and wondering how anything like that will ever die.

http://storiesbywilliams.files.wordp...ovenant_ac.jpg
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# 39
10-14-2012, 04:18 AM
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That's a good picture of the Vesta. Better than most I've seen.

If the Vesta were about 3/4 the size of the Sovereign, or just larger than an Intrepid, I could see myself flying that class of ship, especially if it was Tactically oriented.

The question is if Cryptic will make the Vesta a slow, fat cow of a cruiser knockoff, like the Nebula is, making it virtually worthless as a science ship. I would hope they would not do that, but it seems the main course for ships in STO. Cruisers, and variants of cruisers.
thats because its done by the original designer :p
theres a video done when it was leaked on foundry , we know its just under the sovereign in length like a few meters or so , not much at all ,so turn rate , cant be worse than the sovereign. my reckoning is that it'll be very similar to the orb weaver in terms of ' feel'

as for the galaxy being compact ?
i kinda have to disagree that things bloody huge
i can see where you're coming from , since in overall length its shorter than a lot of newer designs , but you have to remember its taller and wider than pretty much everything else
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# 40
10-14-2012, 09:54 AM
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as for the galaxy being compact ?
i kinda have to disagree that things bloody huge
i can see where you're coming from , since in overall length its shorter than a lot of newer designs , but you have to remember its taller and wider than pretty much everything else
It doesn't matter how big it is, i was talking about the general shape. My point is that it has less protruding elements (which results in a much more united design) if you like that formulation better.

The Galaxys general shape looks rather as one unit, more than newer ships like the sovereign or vesta. Their Saucer/ hull configurations are virtually one single unit, but the pylons and nacelles are too protruding and give the impression of a foreign body.
In my eyes they are just not especially coherent designs.
Was that understandable?


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