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# 21
10-12-2012, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
Fleet Tor'Kaht. WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW.
Hahaha.
PvP is the only context that one doesn't get the default-win in an argument.
In PvP, what counts are the healing abilities and tanking, and that one goes to the Ody over the Bortasqu', even if just by a bit.
While the Fleet Tor'Kaht is "just" an overpowered but slightly sluggy raptor in this context. Not bad, but ... *cough* Armitage *cough*.

In most other regards, I'll just agree with xiphenon, his list is pretty accurate.

'Might add though:
PUG vs. PUG: KDF wins, hands down.
Casual PvP vs. Casual PvP: KDF has a slight advantage.
PvP Fleet vs PvP Fleet: Feds are too tanky and can outheal pretty much every alpha, while the KDF lives in fear of the day the first Fleet Defiants are available - so they're already crying a bit in advance.
What level are you going to balance for?

Last edited by flekh; 10-12-2012 at 01:09 PM. Reason: i spelled cough wrong. :(
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# 22
10-12-2012, 12:24 PM
You spelled cough wrong. XD
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# 23
10-12-2012, 01:18 PM
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the KDF lives in fear of the day the first Fleet Defiants are available - so they're already crying a bit in advance.
Followed closely by the Fed cry of " The Defiant needs a battle Cloak" threads.
Some things can always be counted on like clock-work.



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What level are you going to balance for?
None. I think the fed versus KDF differences are good and mostly balanced.
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# 24
10-13-2012, 07:25 PM
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Followed closely by the Fed cry of " The Defiant needs a battle Cloak" threads.
Some things can always be counted on like clock-work.
That's no totally true. I've been arguing for the battle cloaking tier 5 Oberth with a phaser lance and 49k hull with commander universal Boff
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# 25
10-13-2012, 09:47 PM
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That's no totally true. I've been arguing for the battle cloaking tier 5 Oberth with a phaser lance and 49k hull with commander universal Boff
That's not the part you got flak for. But the 2.5 shield modifier really was too much!
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# 26
10-14-2012, 12:57 AM
FLEET TOR'KAHT RETROFIT!!! TELL ME HUMAN. WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW!!

But in all honesty I am inclined to agree. Feds may complain that their cruisers can't turn worth a damn, which is true, but they can heal like bosses. On steroids. I have dumped all my power into shields and aux on my Oddy once (TAC oddy mind you, after I say what happened, I will be scared to see what happens with a sci oddy), and just sat and tanked a gateway out of boredom whilst my team tried to kill transformers (yeah I know, not helping my team, but we were shafted anyways, lost the op, and had two leavers, and it was an ISE, so we couldn't lose), and I basically just cycled heals and buffs. It was crazy how long I was able to take the full power of the gate (basically til I got bored and forgot to hit a heal). And that was just by myself. I am sure if I had a sci or another cruiser cross healing me, I would have been able to stay there all month and never die.

KDF got a little slapped when it came to sci, but they are the KDF. Sci doesn't mean a whole lot to them via canon, so they got shafted there. But they make up for it with insanely good combat ability (probably why a lot of feds are crying for a defiant battle cloak. Little wusses.) and amazing crui... erm BATTLEcruisers that can dish out pain and take it with almost no craps given.

And for the record, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a 2.5 shield modifier. As long as said player is restricted from being able to put anything on there better than a mk II standard shield array. XD
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
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# 27
10-14-2012, 02:05 AM
Bop's dont have that big of an advantage. The Battle Cloak isn't a "Get out of Jail Free" card. As mentioned, if you cloak at the wrong time....pop.....game over for the Bop. The trick with that class of ships is knowing when to cloak and learning to not use it as an Escort....and have equipment ready to get the hell out of dodge (Impulse Burst, Engine Battery's, Deutrium Surplus, Evasive Manuvers).

As for the other ship categories, the KDF got shafted when it came to Escorts. The Qin Raptor turns on its ass, so its more difficult to get its nose pointing in the right direction. The Best Escorts the KDF has in my opinion are the Fleet Somraw and Fleet Scourge....and those are Fleet ships and cost $20 for Fleet Modules (And NO discount for having the lower tier ship for the Scourge). Not to mention NONE of the KDF Fleet Escorts has five Tac consoles (And I saw Fleet Tactical Escorts out and they are beasts to face in a fight).

Cruisers vs. Battlecruisers, yes the KDF has the edge....in turn rating and Damage capabilities. But when it comes to taking hits, the Fed Cruisers have the better endurance. The Fleet Tor'kaht had to sacrifice Engineering Boff Slots for its Tactical abilities.

And Science? What Science? All the KDF got was the ever versatile Bop's, the Vo'quv (and that ain't a true Science Ship), and Gorn Vessels you have to purchase with Zen. The KDF got shafted when it came to Science (then again, the Empire didn't rely on science as much as Starfleet, never saw General Martok diverting power to the Graviton Array)
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# 28
10-14-2012, 09:15 AM
I know personally that I would like to see at least one ship on fed side with a battle cloak. It never made any sense to me anyway why a ship that can cloak can't use in combat anyway. KDF has several ships that can't cloak but all the Klingon made ones can. Never understood why the BOP was the only one that was allowed to hit the switch in combat.
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# 29
10-14-2012, 09:45 AM
Whenever I get into the BoP I find it absolutely baffling that I don't die as much as I should. The Heghie's base hull is so low that you put me in an escort on the other side and I'll one-shot BO crit it out the sky faster than it can say, "there's Feds on the starboard bow".

If I decloak and kill someone (or sadly too often, fail to kill someone) there is zero reason I should be able to live to tell the tale. I should be dead in the next five seconds, max. And yet Feds in the public queues simply cannot put out the barest minimum amount of hurt, it's mind-boggling.
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# 30
10-15-2012, 05:08 AM
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I will be scared to see what happens with a sci oddy), and just sat and tanked a gateway out of boredom whilst my team tried to kill transformers (yeah I know, not helping my team, but we were shafted anyways, lost the op, and had two leavers, and it was an ISE, so we couldn't lose), and I basically just cycled heals and buffs. It was crazy how long I was able to take the full power of the gate (basically til I got bored and forgot to hit a heal). And that was just by myself. I am sure if I had a sci or another cruiser cross healing me, I would have been able to stay there all month and never die.
It's true - the Fed cruisers can take an ungodly amount of punishment - I've soloed a gate on Elite STFs with my Tac/Excelsior and whilst it wasn't exactly easy (downright fraught at times), that Commander Boff station plus some shield batteries saved my ass.

I've tried it with my Klink Eng in a Vor'Cha and it's a lot harder - primarily 'cause it takes so much longer to take the gate down.

Fed cruisers are the Chuck Norris of STO

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Whenever I get into the BoP I find it absolutely baffling that I don't die as much as I should. The Heghie's base hull is so low that you put me in an escort on the other side and I'll one-shot BO crit it out the sky faster than it can say, "there's Feds on the starboard bow".
Eng in a B'rel is a helluva lot of fun to play - toughens that bird right up - mine has 12k shield facings and 40% hull resists - damn thing's made out of adamantium
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