Lt. Commander
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# 1 Polarized phasers
10-06-2012, 02:09 PM
Looking through all the weapon types on http://www.stowiki.org/Category:Ship_Weapons and what kind of quad cannons there are I found a minor inconvenience. The Klingons have the ability to get a Disruptor Quad Cannon + Polarized Disruptors while the Federation doesn't have the option to use Polarized weaponry in combination with the Quad Cannon.

Shouldn't there be Polarized Phasers in the game aswell?

And yes I know there are Phased Tetryon weapons but when you have a Phaser Quad Cannon you can't stack your tactical consoles.
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# 2
10-07-2012, 05:03 AM
I'd rather wait until the next weapon hybrid and get something like Phased Plasma weapons (Phasers with plasma proc).

Sure disruptors are nice but so is the plasma proc.
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# 3
10-07-2012, 08:37 AM
Not sure if we will see anything to do with phasers the next box since we had the phased tetryon weapons. Might end up going with different types...but hopefully not something with plasma as the damage unless they change the mods on stf space gear.
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# 4
10-07-2012, 10:14 AM
Phased tetryons are something completely different. The thing is, Klingons can have their cake (quad cannon) and eat it too (dubble procs)!

I want to be able to have weapons with dubble proc while using phasers or make the disruptor quad cannon available for Federation to balance things out.

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Originally Posted by seekerkorhil View Post
I'd rather wait until the next weapon hybrid and get something like Phased Plasma weapons (Phasers with plasma proc).

Sure disruptors are nice but so is the plasma proc.
Phased Plasma would suggest that you have a basic plasma weapon with the phaser proc. not the other way around.
And the plasma proc is probably the worst proc to have imho.

Last edited by intrepid74656; 10-07-2012 at 10:36 AM. Reason: Fixed typo
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# 5
10-07-2012, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by intrepid74656 View Post
And the phaser proc is probably the worst proc to have imho.
The phaser proc is possibly one of the best for PvP.
My Romulan Liberated Borg character made it to Level 30 and beat the (old) Defense of New Romulus with the skill point bug.
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# 6
10-07-2012, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by lianthelia View Post
Not sure if we will see anything to do with phasers the next box since we had the phased tetryon weapons. Might end up going with different types...but hopefully not something with plasma as the damage unless they change the mods on stf space gear.
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The phaser proc is possibly one of the best for PvP.
I ment plasma. Fixed.
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# 7
10-07-2012, 12:27 PM
*sigh* I'm not even sure how to tackle this one. Best just to get started.

Ok, to start, there will probably end up being Polarized Phasers, or Phased Polarons (hopefully the latter) in the future. I don't doubt that in the slightest. There will probably eventually be something like a Tetryon-Disruptor hybrid and such.

Secondly, why is it that you must bring up the Klingon's having X, so the Feds MUST now have access to X? You did that in two ways, the first just wanting these Polarized Phasers, and the second was saying Feds should get Quad Disruptor Cannons.

Third, the Quad Cannons are good for leveling, but that's about ALL. Seriously, no Acc modifiers, no CrtD or CrtH, just that Dmg x4, fine for leveling and general PvE, but not really useful otherwise. I only use my Quad Disruptors sometimes because I like how they look firing from my Bortasqu' as I shoot my CRF 1 at Borg and such.

Fourth, you said that Klingons can 'have their cake and eat it too'. Well, Feds have their 'cake, and eat it too', and on top of that, steal from everybody else's slice. You want more, and give up nothing in return. Even if Klingons got Quad Phasers in return, it wouldn't be that useful for them at all, for the same reasons you've given in the first place about not having Polarized-Phasers and such.

I don't play exclusively KDF, or Fed, but all this want, want, want, is selfish and heavily self-centered.

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# 8
10-07-2012, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mimey2 View Post
*sigh* I'm not even sure how to tackle this one. Best just to get started.

Ok, to start, there will probably end up being Polarized Phasers, or Phased Polarons (hopefully the latter) in the future. I don't doubt that in the slightest. There will probably eventually be something like a Tetryon-Disruptor hybrid and such.

Secondly, why is it that you must bring up the Klingon's having X, so the Feds MUST now have access to X? You did that in two ways, the first just wanting these Polarized Phasers, and the second was saying Feds should get Quad Disruptor Cannons.
It's either not both. And preferably the Polarized Phasers then the Quad Disruptor Cannons.

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Third, the Quad Cannons are good for leveling, but that's about ALL. Seriously, no Acc modifiers, no CrtD or CrtH, just that Dmg x4, fine for leveling and general PvE, but not really useful otherwise. I only use my Quad Disruptors sometimes because I like how they look firing from my Bortasqu' as I shoot my CRF 1 at Borg and such.
I like the sight from quad cannons shooting from a Defiant too. And with a CRF3 quad cannons should prove a bit more effective even without the other modifiers.

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Fourth, you said that Klingons can 'have their cake and eat it too'. Well, Feds have their 'cake, and eat it too', and on top of that, steal from everybody else's slice.
Care to explain? Got no clue what you are on about here.

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You want more, and give up nothing in return.
What would be there to give up?

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Originally Posted by mimey2 View Post
Even if Klingons got Quad Phasers in return, it wouldn't be that useful for them at all, for the same reasons you've given in the first place about not having Polarized-Phasers and such.

I don't play exclusively KDF, or Fed, but all this want, want, want, is selfish and heavily self-centered.
Wanting might not be the best word here as it does come off self-centered. Wishing then?
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# 9
10-07-2012, 01:48 PM
Let's see...

going off of raw comparison of hulls, the Federation has a nice, wide selection of specialized designs, including a full line of Science ships, plus time-ships, flatly better Escorts at every level (sorry, the Raptor turn-pivot is outright crippling against a Federation Escort, while the BoP is the nearest thing to a post-commander sci vessel in the Klink inventory until you get the lockbox ship-but without most of the inherent, non-console advantages Federation sci vessels have), Feds have Carriers-and good ones at that, with integral point-defense systems absent from the entire KDF inventory unless you're very lucky at lockbox lottery.

(Oh, and the lockbox PD systems don't work with anything but Disruptors for KDF, just as they only work for Phasers in Fed play).

Phasers have (still) got some of the best inherent Procs in the game for PvP. (arguably better than Disruptors by a signficant margin, all other quality modifiers being equal)

fed Cruisers are better at tanking than KDF cruisers, which sacrifice toughness for a small increase in manueverability (which is kind of like putting afterburners on an AC-130, really...),

FedScorts have more hull, more weapons, more turn, (pick any two-BoPs sacrifice hull and weapons/damage for turning and being half-assed science ship replacements). Fedscort at every level has more than their KDF level-equivalents.

and Feds get their science ships for free. There IS NO KDF sci ship you do not pay Zen/C-points for. With those sci ships, Feds get a nice selection of inherent science-ship powers and a bonus to sensors to get through KDF cloaking.

We have NOTHING that matches that for the price. zip, nada, not a damn thing.

Polarized Disruptors are only available through opening lockboxes, or finding one on the Exchange-at an exhorbitant price, so really KDF don't get much of a deal there.

So, when a Fed starts puling about KDF "getting thier cake and eating it too" I really, seriously have to wonder the following:

1. What has said fed been smoking?

2. Has he even LOOKED at the "selection" of ships/equipment his faction already offers/has, and compared it rationally to what the KDF gets at the same level, for the same pricing?

Klinks get a FEW things that differ from Federation, very few. Fewer since the Feds started fielding two of the best Carrier types in the game, and fewer still since faction-exclusive pay-consoles started cross-faction availability via Lockboxes.

Polarized Disruptors are one of those "few things" we get, that you don't-but stacked against what Fed side gets without spending a dime, it's not that big a deal, it's not going to make that Hegh'ta Bird of Prey a total Defiant-slayer, or make a Qin more effective against an MVAM or Defiant-R (or Fleet Defiant/Sao Paulo), it won't make a Vor'cha tank better against a Regent/Sovereign/etc.

it's just another weapon with another funky name, and sooner or later, if it's popular, it'll turn up in Federation colours with a Federation name.
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# 10
10-07-2012, 02:34 PM
sO, it kind of breaks down like this in my mind.

The Klingons can have their cake and eat it too ?
Sorry ... what ?

Ok, let's go with analogy for a minute.

The Feds have their cake, the pie, the cookies, the whip cream, some ice cream, sprinkles, hot fudge and the cherry on top. Oh and they eat all of it, including the stupid cake

This is a stupid thing to complain about. Sorry. After the shaft the KDF has gotten historically, you choose to complain about this ?
Sorry.
Go read all about cryptic's shameful history with the KDF, and then come complain about KDF getting something the feds can't get.

/no sympathy
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