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# 111
10-11-2012, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by gstamo01 View Post
You know LTS was intended to be a one time only game launch sale, but they later brought it back and have been using it from time to time as money grab sales.

If I knew then what I know now, I'd have never bought the LTS at launch.
Did you like the video I posted? So is this what you expect if you went to Cryptic customer service to complain?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UDnT...eature=related

I love the game but every time I think of sending in a ticket over something and all the - "we can't help you" or " we don't get involved in exchange problems" or "we don't do refunds" or "we don't get involved in fleet rip offs" or "we never said we would not change things when we feel like it' - from now on that vid plays in my head as not to bother because the answer would be just like that - now sing it with a snicker!! I would be super cool if you went to the ticket area or the web site and it re-diected you to this vid - that would be hilarious!!

"Again, from the top! And this time, do it with feeling!"

Q

Edit: I was in a movie with Gene Wilder and had a tiny part that got cut out but spent hours sitting around and talking - or more like listening to the man - and I can tell you he is insane/crazy - but brilliant. He would just start saying the craziest and strangest things out of no-where!

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Career Officer
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# 112
10-11-2012, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jtmarsh View Post
Not a penalty! Never said that... It is slapping in the face of your long term customers. Besides its 2 slaps for me. First getting rid of vet rewards shows that cryptic feels that paying long term subs ain't worth the time to create a belt, a shirt. Second slap is what they did to long term vets that earned the reward by giving it to "joe" with a cash and no wait for him. Turning vet rewards into a $199 on sale cstore item. C meaning cash now.
That shirt and belt probably would have cost them $5,000 to make and hook up.

Let's say profit (after connection expenses and stuff included in the game) on an LTS is $100. Not unreasonable since I've heard profit on $15 a month subs is around $6. Now let's say Jupiter vet costumes cost of production is around $7k, ship is $30k for Fed and $12k for the Klingon version, hull is $3k, Mugato is $7k, Captain's Table is $8k, Klingon add on stuff is $3k. Let's not even look at lost revenue from services offered.

That's $70k in expenses. Add in another $5k for the shirt and belt you propose.

You'd need 750 people to appreciate it or it's a waste. And it's maybe 6% of the value of lifetime subs at $100 profit a piece. So let's say it's worth $6 for every lifer. Let's say there are 15k lifers. That shirt and belt is worth $60,000 if every lifer bought the package because of the value of all of the items equally. But I'll betcha you see maybe more like 1k extra subs sold or $6000 return on a $5000 belt. And the belt takes an extra $1000 if the artist making it and the guy doing hook ups get sick for a combined total of 4 days.

Meanwhile, looking back at lost revenues from not having people develop items for sale... That costume maybe could have generated $40,000.

So you're out $40,000 because a guy on the forums wanted a shirt and belt. Now you have to lay somebody off because you can't make salary.
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# 113
10-11-2012, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
.... But I'll betcha you see maybe more like 1k extra subs sold ...
That's all you think they will sell in this sale? - I think it's going to be more like 10,000+ for $2,000,000+ revenue boost

I am going for one in a few days and from what I have heard many others are as well. It seems like it will be way higher than just a few thousand.
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# 114
10-11-2012, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by levi3 View Post
That's all you think they will sell in this sale? - I think it's going to be more like 10,000+ for $2,000,000+ revenue boost

I am going for one in a few days and from what I have heard many others are as well. It seems like it will be way higher than just a few thousand.
I'm being generous and saying that's all the MORE they would sell if they threw in a belt and shirt.
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# 115
10-11-2012, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
That shirt and belt probably would have cost them $5,000 to make and hook up.

Let's say profit (after connection expenses and stuff included in the game) on an LTS is $100. Not unreasonable since I've heard profit on $15 a month subs is around $6. Now let's say Jupiter vet costumes cost of production is around $7k, ship is $30k for Fed and $12k for the Klingon version, hull is $3k, Mugato is $7k, Captain's Table is $8k, Klingon add on stuff is $3k. Let's not even look at lost revenue from services offered.

That's $70k in expenses. Add in another $5k for the shirt and belt you propose.

You'd need 750 people to appreciate it or it's a waste. And it's maybe 6% of the value of lifetime subs at $100 profit a piece. So let's say it's worth $6 for every lifer. Let's say there are 15k lifers. That shirt and belt is worth $60,000 if every lifer bought the package because of the value of all of the items equally. But I'll betcha you see maybe more like 1k extra subs sold or $6000 return on a $5000 belt. And the belt takes an extra $1000 if the artist making it and the guy doing hook ups get sick for a combined total of 4 days.

Meanwhile, looking back at lost revenues from not having people develop items for sale... That costume maybe could have generated $40,000.

So you're out $40,000 because a guy on the forums wanted a shirt and belt. Now you have to lay somebody off because you can't make salary.

Where? What?? How did you get thoses numbers??? Oh never mind you must be a young go getter! Lots of ideas in that head! All I have left for you is ooooook
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# 116
10-11-2012, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
I'm being generous and saying that's all the MORE they would sell if they threw in a belt and shirt.
Oh missed the meaning. LOL - adding a shirt and belt? additional sales of 100 LTS would be generaous!!
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# 117
10-11-2012, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by jtmarsh View Post
Well since the first post seemed to close to the rest that is was moved or absorbed I'll try a different topic. What do I get? Since lifers no matter what day they joined get the ship. Since F2p and new people can get the ship & title Wednesday as long as they pay life. What do I get?? I have been on since a week before launch. I have paid 6 month sub since the launch. What do I get Wednesday? Because I don?t get the ship for like 10 days or so. What do I and people like me that has paid more than life and been on for almost 3 years get on Wednesday? If this is flaming then Im sorry.. You want to toss this then so be it ill create another way to ask. Boot me from the forums so be it. People know me on this game. People know im a nice guy but this is wrong! A slap to long term gold members. A slap to day one life members. But this is about gold. Not the ship. I want something. I cant be the only Gold member still playing/paying since launch.

Know what I want? I want to quit paying 6 month sub... Well I plan to do that but for Gold people that has paid & played for 1000 days I want my 400 points a month but I no longer want to pay my sub to get it. So I want life!!! I know lifers wont like it but I think fair is out of the window. I have paid/played for almost 1000 days and I think anyone who has paid for 1000 days should get that "reward" What about 1000 day lifers? Give them a new badge. What I am trying to say is give SOMETHING to who have been here for a 1000days of paying. Something fraking that shows you all still give a crap about us.



wel.. i say you should have done so from the start. but i bet you toucht oo thats to expancive and i dont guess i still play than..

wel.. if you cant handel it that you cant get it becours you did not get lts from the start you should have /facepalm your self
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# 118
10-11-2012, 04:24 PM
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Where? What?? How did you get thoses numbers??? Oh never mind you must be a young go getter! Lots of ideas in that head! All I have left for you is ooooook
They're wild guesses. That's the entire point of what forums are for!

But average salary for a game designer in the bay area is around $80k. This is an area where $50k is the equivalent of poverty anywhere else in the country.

Factor in benefits and sick days and payroll tax. Each employee costs Cryptic around $95,000 a year on average. 50 hours a week. That's $35 an hour, per head, for involvement in anything.

Five guys in an hour long meeting discussing which ship to do next is $175 out the door. More if it's senior guys.
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# 119
10-11-2012, 04:29 PM
Likewise, one guy spending six weeks on a ship is around $9500, even allowing time spent on touch-ups elsewhere. Three guys spending six weeks on a ship and a fourth guy hooking it up is approaching $30,000.
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# 120
10-12-2012, 04:06 AM
Cryptic can show their appreciation (if they have any) for monthly subscribers by making the playable Liberated Borg Captain part of the 1000 day veterans reward.
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