I took a look at the new ship stats on tribble recently, and discovered that the Fleet Ning'Tao Bird of Prey, with its appealing bridge officer layout, is considered to be fairly penalised with a base hull of 16500.
This puts the base hull of this vessel on par with To'Duj fighters (16500), and LESS than the Klingon shuttles (Toron and Chariot at 18000).
Isn't the terrible shield modifier of 0.66 enough of a reduction on this Bird of Prey's resilience?
Please reconsider the penalty on this vessel for its perks (namely bridge officer layout) - the base hull allocated to this vessel is absurd, and I'll state AGAIN - inferior to shuttles!
With the current state of the game it's not too difficult to evaporate a Hegh'ta BOP, let a lone a B'rel refit BOP with a critical hit from an alpha strike - wonderful bridge officer complement or not. Captains in this flying egg shell will simply be delivering free kills to their opponents upon every decloak!
Would love to hear some feedback on this, especially from seasoned Bird of prey captains!
I think they also need to look at the equivalent ship fed side, the fleet defiant.
Just to compare if the designer of the bop was in the right frame of mind when he created them. I KNOW the bop is meant as a strike and hide, but to give it 1/2 the hull, much less shield mod, LESS slots for consoles, and, all this, at the fact that the fleet defiant costs 1fleet modual thing while the bop costs 4?
I'm confused, are fed players complaining about bop's slaughtering them in pvp or something?(And knowing most dedicated pvpers don't bother 'whining' about stuff, they just adapt, I tend to think its a try-it-once, die, then call hax type person lol)
I mean it seems so foolishly unbalanced toward fed side. (The tier 3 shipyard available ship is almost, if not AS good, as the tier 4 ship fed side, escorts)
There's nothing wrong with the Ning'tao's hull. It was made using only the finest Nausicaan labor, out of the the finest cardboardium alloys! Also, changing it would cost more money than paying out the relevant wrongful death suits.
It's an innate power, and it exists whether you like it or not; whether you think it's overpowered, underpowered or overrated.
If you want to argue those points go for it, but what you're doing is different - what you're doing is selectively choosing the aspects you feel like comparing while selectively ignoring others.
Originally Posted by drkfrontiers
This thread is in regards to the ship. Not the boff slots. BOFFs have nothing to do with ship hull, or for that matter shields or turn rate stats.
If you think this ship was not specifically balanced due to the BOFF layout you're just kidding yourself.
BOFFs are part of a ship and dictate what a ship can do, and getting 3 Universal Ltc powers and 1 Universal CMD level power on a ship that can cloak and mount DHCs is exactly why this ship ended up with the hull it did.
To be clear, that's the best BOFF layout in the entire game. It can basically recreate any current BOFF layout only better - trading out an Ensign slot for what works out to be an extra Ltc slot. The only thing keeping that in-line is that BoPs lend themselves to a couple of very specific styles of play due to...their hull and shields.
Again, as I said before, if you want to argue the Hull and Shields are too low for what you get in return - be my guest.
Purposefully ignoring part of a ship's design so you can toss up a bunch of numbers in red and cry foul is disingenuous at best.
Originally Posted by drkfrontiers
These stats come directly from Cryptic's Fleet Chart.
The Fleet chart in the SB list is just a list, there's nothing there that puts ship vs. ship in some kind of opposing faction table or chart.
You're just seeing what you want to see, again selectively choosing the things you want to push and selectively ignoring things that are inconvenient to pushing that agenda.
Last edited by ussultimatum; 10-03-2012 at 11:04 PM.
the hull ok can live with that its a bop we do more with less my question would be where is the 10th console slot all "fleet" not retro ship were supposed to have cause it is a fleet bop even the awful aquarius gets a 10th console as a fleet varient.