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# 11
10-10-2012, 10:40 AM
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The Runabout does not have 2 decks. The floor of the Lounge is at most a meter above the exterior of the ventral hull.
It doesn't need two decks. There's ~2.5 meters of space between the lounge and the transporter that's hidden under the nacelle pylons.

See the door in the aft compartment? That leads to this room, seen in Timescape, with four bunks:
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/...eping_area.jpg

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# 12
10-10-2012, 11:25 AM
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It doesn't need two decks. There's ~2.5 meters of space between the lounge and the transporter that's hidden under the nacelle pylons.

See the door in the aft compartment? That leads to this room, seen in Timescape, with four bunks:
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/...eping_area.jpg
Huh. In DS9, that's usually an "engineering" type area. Guess I forgot they showed bunks in Time Scape.
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# 13
10-10-2012, 01:39 PM
DS9 did kind of forget what was back there, didn't they? They talked about labs and cargo bays, too. Even a second deck couldn't give them all of that stuff.

Of course, magical concept art makes everything true:
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/...lar_Design.jpg

So I guess arguably anything odd about the ship can be explained away by that middle module letting the ship be whatever the plot demands. Kind of makes sense for the role runabouts played until the Defiant came in.

Hey, maybe that's why they can fire both of their one phaser and 8 of their 2 torpedoes.
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# 14
10-10-2012, 02:56 PM
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Of course, magical concept art makes everything true:
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/...lar_Design.jpg
I'm a fan of this concept of the Runabout. The folks over at maquis forces international have created quite a few deck plans, showing different configurations, and not just about moving chairs around. My favorite being the inclusion of a dual Argo-vehicle bay. As a concept, I think they've done a good job to realize the potential.
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# 15
10-10-2012, 03:03 PM
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I'm a fan of this concept of the Runabout. The folks over at maquis forces international have created quite a few deck plans, showing different configurations, and not just about moving chairs around. My favorite being the inclusion of a dual Argo-vehicle bay. As a concept, I think they've done a good job to realize the potential.
Wow, I'm really speechless. Those diagrams are amazing.
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# 16
10-10-2012, 03:34 PM
a shame we cant get interiors to match all of this. I would love if the runabout interior included all of the back areas as well as the flyer interior in general.
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# 17
10-10-2012, 05:11 PM
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Where are the Bunk (beds)? Man, that TNG Runabout didn't have anywhere for the crew to sleep? That's gotta suck.
The soft-canon (DS-9 Technical Manual) of the Runabout is that they has 4 interchangeable modules in the amid ship area (2 on either side). There could be crew sleeping areas, science lab modules, cargo modules, more extensive sensor pallet etc.
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# 18
10-10-2012, 05:30 PM
Runabouts were originally designed to be modular. There is a warp sled that hugs everything, the cockpit pod, the aft pod, and a center pod. Each of those was supposed to be able to be swapped out depending on the mission/purpose.

Most floorplans for the Danube class show a larger area in the rear pod, usually with a small conference table. But they vary widely in the middle. I've seen bunks. I've seen science labs. I've seen cargo pods. etc. etc.

Done by Drex for the DS9 tech manual.

They never really showed any of that on the show, but it's designed/built with that in mind, and makes a lot of sense.

In terms of scale, I think of the Runabout like a small private jet. The Delta Flyer is like a cargo van.

ETA: Sorry, finished reading the thread, seems you guys already caught that note. I agree that the concept is sound and does a good job explaining much of the variability.
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# 19
10-10-2012, 05:39 PM
So:
  • Shuttlecraft ~ Sedan
  • Runabout ~ Rockstar Tour Bus/Super RV
  • Delta Flyer ~ Regular RV

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# 20
10-10-2012, 06:00 PM
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whats bigger, the delta flyer or a runabout?
Danube Runabout: 23.1 meters (DS9 Tech Manual)
Delta Flyer: 15.1 meters (seen frequently during 'VOY' from Season 5 and onwards)

For some of the other shuttlecraft (may or may not exist ingame):

Debuted during TNG:
Type 6: 6 meters (TNG Tech Manual, seen occasionally during 'TNG')
Type 7: 8.5 meters (TNG Tech Manual, seen occasionally during 'TNG')
Type 15: 3.6 meters (TNG Tech Manual, seen occasionally during 'TNG')

Debuted during DS9:
Type 10: 9.64 meters (DS9 Tech Manual, DS9 ep 'The Sound of Her Voice')
Type 18: 4.5 meters (DS9 Tech Manual, DS9 ep 'The Search Part 2')

Debuted during VOY:
Type 8: 6 meters (seen on occasion during 'VOY')
Type 9: 9.17 meters (seen on occasion during 'VOY')

TNG Movie-era:
Type 11: 14.64 meters (seen in 'Insurrection')

Older shuttlecraft:
Type 1: 7.32 meters (seen during the run of 'TOS')
Type 3: 8.93 meters (seen in 'The Final Frontier')

All in all, it's safe to assume that the 'Danube Runabout' is the largest of Starfleet's shuttlecraft arsenal, followed by the Delta Flyer (which began as an unofficial Starfleet design, as a complement/replacement to the aging Type 6 and Type 9 shuttlecraft aboard the starship Voyager). I'd say in terms of which shuttlecraft is most modern, the Type 11 is likely to be relatively standard issue (unless replaced by 2409).

Still waiting on the SC-4 variant of the "Type 9" which was seen as Admiral Janeway's executive shuttle in VOY's 'Endgame'. That shuttle existed in 2404, so there's no reason to doubt that it may exist in STO's time period.

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