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# 201
11-28-2012, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by krayuskorianis View Post
Oh look, the KDF keep posting in the Federation Gameplay Forum...

Go back to the Klingon Gameplay Forum and whine and cry about things, leave the Federation Gameplay Forum to the Federation players.

Remove all bonuses from cloak if that's how you wanna play this out.
lol, Count yourself lucky that you are free of the ravages of intelligence.
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# 202
11-28-2012, 12:25 PM
None of this matters the Fed/KDF war is ending in a few months - starting with the Featured episode where the ENT-C goes back in time to help defend the Klingon outpost on Narendra III

Seaon 8 will end the war completely - not like it is a war anymore as outside of missions KDF and Feds fight together

PvP is the only place the "war" still exists - thats "IF" you can get a FvK match going - so really there is no need for cloaks
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# 203
11-28-2012, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by born2bwild1 View Post
None of this matters the Fed/KDF war is ending in a few months - starting with the Featured episode where the ENT-C goes back in time to help defend the Klingon outpost on Narendra III

Seaon 8 will end the war completely - not like it is a war anymore as outside of missions KDF and Feds fight together

PvP is the only place the "war" still exists - thats "IF" you can get a FvK match going - so really there is no need for cloaks
Given the option of PvP (even broken PvP) vs. MOST OF the "Content" in S7? The choice is obvious-I'll wait in the PvP ques until some fed gets the stones up to actually join a match.

If it means giving poor widdle feddie a Battlecloak? at this point? fine. Give the Defiant R a battlecloak, I know the weaknesses of that system since I drive BoPs exclusively, I'll make him rue the day he opted for it by exposing him to every thing that can make it more of a hinderance than a help...

and laugh while I'm doing it.

Maniacally.

So can virtually any OTHER Klink who's at least "Mediocre".

Which, I suppose, might be a strong motivator for Developers who only play Federation to want to kill the war.

After all, with all the cheese the FEds get, higher-end ships at lower tiers, (and cost) better gear...and they still lose? Yah...
"when you're out of Birds of Prey, you're out of ships."

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# 204
11-28-2012, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by born2bwild1 View Post
None of this matters the Fed/KDF war is ending in a few months - starting with the Featured episode where the ENT-C goes back in time to help defend the Klingon outpost on Narendra III

Seaon 8 will end the war completely - not like it is a war anymore as outside of missions KDF and Feds fight together

PvP is the only place the "war" still exists - thats "IF" you can get a FvK match going - so really there is no need for cloaks
Then why don't they have it to where at least while outside missions or with the exception of the FEs they let us team up with the other faction.. if this war is over?
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# 205
11-28-2012, 12:41 PM
have a defiant and dont even use the cloak, swapped it out for theta radiation which works nicely. i wouldn't mind a battle cloak because regular cloak is basically useless
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# 206
11-28-2012, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rgrgeom View Post
have a defiant and dont even use the cloak, swapped it out for theta radiation which works nicely. i wouldn't mind a battle cloak because regular cloak is basically useless

what would you be willing to give up on defiant for the battle cloak?
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# 207
11-28-2012, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by krayuskorianis View Post
Oh look, the KDF keep posting in the Federation Gameplay Forum...

Go back to the Klingon Gameplay Forum and whine and cry about things, leave the Federation Gameplay Forum to the Federation players.

Remove all bonuses from cloak if that's how you wanna play this out.
Why? I KNOW we have Feds who come into the Klingon threads to ***** (not as much, after all, once something's been bitched about KDF having, Devs fix it-re: Plas leech, Aceton assimilators...)

This case, this THREAD, is about YOU wanting MORE of what WE have-without the expertise to use it, or the balancing factors WE deal with just for HAVING it.

(say it with me now, class..."Weaker Hulls, Fewer Weapons, Fewer Console slots, weaker shielding...")

Now, historically, when FEd gets a KDF toy (see: Carriers), they tend to get better, higher-quality than KDF had. Therefore, when the words "Battle Cloak" comes up in relation to an already excellent ship design (see: Defiant R), which in COMPETENT hands is more than a match for any KDF Battlecloak-enabled Bird of Prey (regardless of build), it raises some concern in the Klink community, and while YOU may find no value in looking in on your potential opposition, WE find keeping tabs on potential enemy developments VERY USEFUL.

(weird how the fiction in the game-the Federations Obliviousness to the Undine infiltrations-is mimicked here by Players discounting the effects of basic intelligence gathering and diplomacy.)
"when you're out of Birds of Prey, you're out of ships."
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# 208
11-28-2012, 12:49 PM
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"when you're out of Birds of Prey, you're out of ships."

Then like any good and loyal KDF warrior I will eat lots of Gagh, strap wings to my back, hold my breath and fly into battle on a pillar of flame from betwix my buttocks.

And still the feds would whine that I/we have too much the advantage.
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# 209
11-28-2012, 12:52 PM
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No. You want the Damage Bonus to be removed then the KDF vessels gets the handicap back for having the Cloak.
In fact lets go one better, since we are discussing fairness and removing handicap or unfair advantages, lest remove any handicap the KDF has suffered for having Universal slots.

For every style of equal Universal Slot the Feds have used on a vessel lets remove a coresponding level of the Hull and Shield handicap that has been applied to the KDF vessels whom have Universal slots.

Federation Ensign Universal slots...... check
(Fleet Aquarius, Fleet Patrol escort, Aquarius Destroyer, Chimera Destroyer, Odyssey operation, Odyssey tactical, Odyssey Science, Advanced Research Vessel, Multi-Mission Reconnaissance Explorer, Multi-Mission Surveillance Explorer, Multi-Mission Strategic Explorer)

Federation LT Universal slots.......check
(Fleet Aquarius, Mobius Destroyer, Aqaurius Destroyer, Wells Temporal Science Vessel, Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit, Fleet Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit)

Federation LTC Universal slots.......check
(Mobius Destroyer, Chimera Destroyer, Odyssey operation, Odyssey tactical, Odyssey Science, Wells Temporal Science Vessel, Multi-Mission Reconnaissance Explorer, Multi-Mission Surveillance Explorer, Multi-Mission Strategic Explorer)

KDF Ensign Universal slots.......check
(all 12 Raiders, Bortasqu' Tactical Cruiser, Bortasqu' War Cruiser, Bortasqu' Command Cruiser, Fleet Negh'Var Heavy Battle Cruiser, Peghu' destroyer)

KDF LT Universal Slots
(all 12 Raiders, Fleet Tor'Kaht Battle Cruiser Retrofit, Krenn Destroyer, Korath Science vessel)

KDF LTC Universal slots
(all 12 Raiders, Bortas Battle Cruiser, Bortasqu' Tactical Cruiser, Bortasqu' War Cruiser, Bortasqu' Command Cruiser, Peghu destroyer, Kren destroyer, Korath Science vessel)

KDF Commander UNiversal slots
(all 12 Raiders)

SO the only handicap any KDF vessel should retain is whatever the Devs determined was fair for a Commander Universal slot.

I expect the missing Hull and or Shields to be returned post haste since we are eradicating unfair advantages and handicaps suffered by the playerbase for advantages that are no longer exclusive to just one faction.
FYI The Neghvar has the same hp and shield mod of a fed cruiser whilst also having +2 turn, cannons and cloak. So, wheres the balance there? If there fed cruiser where designed to tank, wheres that advantage at other than console arrangement? So, with your logik, KDF Neghvar should be nerfed in hull points and shield mod.

And no, I dont agree with the Gal x or Def getting a battlecloak.
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# 210
11-28-2012, 01:22 PM
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FYI The Neghvar has the same hp and shield mod of a fed cruiser whilst also having +2 turn, cannons and cloak. So, wheres the balance there? If there fed cruiser where designed to tank, wheres that advantage at other than console arrangement? So, with your logik, KDF Neghvar should be nerfed in hull points and shield mod.
Actually nothing would happen to the Fleet Neghvar if it was never handicapped for the Uslot to begin with.
Thats why I said remove the existing handicap for the U-slots that are mimiced by the feds. If no handicap exists for a vessel then there is no need to do anything to said vessel.

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And no, I dont agree with the Gal x or Def getting a battlecloak.
Niether do I, but while players are throwing up thier trivial concerns for a percieved imbalance, etc, then why can't I do the same and expect as much results?
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