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# 21
10-11-2012, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mimey2 View Post
I like your idea, I really honestly do, but I could see exploitation of it though.

1. Create new character.
2. Collect rewards.
3. Sell Vet-BOFF tokens or trade with other toons
4. Delete toon and repeat.

Eventually you could deck out all your toons with Veteran BOFFs and/or flood the market with the tokens. Or even if they were bought up really quickly, still put in a lot more Veteran BOFFs in the game than they'd probably want.
I should clarify:

I'm talking about PER ACCOUNT rewards.

Not everyone would like that but given the value and rarity of Vet BOffs (and given that I'd want these to be rare enough to sell for big bucks on the exchange), I think it's fair.

That does mean you'll need about 400 days per build per alt to get a full veteran crew or buy up other people's or, heck, get a side account with an LTS just to farm for its C-Points and vet BOffs if you're desperate.

These things wouldn't be valuable as an account reclaimable and that's not what they are currently either. People who got one already got a single use token good for one.

I'm saying treat it like people who were jacked on dilithium conversion. One, total, per account, per 100 days. And if you want to make it like that deal, you might also throw in 5 lockbox keys per account, per 100 days.
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# 22
10-11-2012, 10:42 AM
Just curious, what species/appearance are these veteran BOFFs?
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# 23
10-11-2012, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by azniadeet View Post
Just curious, what species/appearance are these veteran BOFFs?
They're currently human for Feds and Klingon for KDF.

Their traits are off the charts awesome though.

For space:

Quote:
Space Warfare Specialist:
Unique Space Trait. Provides a bonus to Starship Maneuvers, Starship Targeting Systems, Starship Energy Weapons, and Starship Projectile Weapons, which improves maneuverability, chance to hit, and damage output.
+5 Starship Maneuvers
+5 Starship Targeting Systems
+5 Starship Energy Weapon Specialization
+5 Projectile Weapon Specialization
For ground:

Quote:
Veteran:
Unique Ground Trait. Provides a bonus to damage and dodge chance for all team members, and a personal bonus to critical hit chance.
Passive; Affects Friend and Self
0 meter Team
+10 All Damage resistance
+10% Dodge Chance
+10% Avoidance
I could see maybe cautiously expanding these out to playable KDF races and founding Federation member races and, longer term, adding costlier ones from exotic races that require saving up multiple veteran requisition forms.
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# 24
10-12-2012, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
They're currently human for Feds and Klingon for KDF.

Their traits are off the charts awesome though.
I waaaaant.......
http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o633/centersolace/189cux9khvl6ojpg_zpsca7ccff0.jpg

So inhumane superweapons, mass murder, and canon nonsense is okay, but speedos are too much for some people.
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# 25
10-12-2012, 11:43 AM
Again, i ask that we get back on track, this is not about meta gaming, not about limited doff's. This is about daily refining cap, can we please keep the responses targeted towards that.

Thanks
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# 26
10-12-2012, 11:46 AM
Wow.. you are pretty greedy arent you?

I bet you fell for "that dev's" statement about "hurry up spend your emblems", and now you are just crying that you want the BO too.
My name may say "PWE member", but I will never be.
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# 27
10-12-2012, 01:36 PM
What. The Hell. Happened to "people who bought their LTSes/subs 1000 days ago aren't special"? Honestly, Levi, for you of all people to take up this issue is bordering on offensive.

The veteran bridge officers were given to players (or more specifically, characters) that LOST (unlike LTSers did here, as you and your ilk so love to point out) a considerable quantity of currencies in the conversion to Dilithium, which was deliberately skewed take away a larger percentage from those who'd collected the most. Sometimes in excess of half.

Me, I'd only gotten one, and I'd love to get another for my runnerup alt who didn't quite make it, some way, some how. But some people got half a dozen. They lost what would've been hundreds of thousands of if not millions of dilithium (there are a few), which for all intends in purposes in this game represents real money. Taken away for no better reason than Cryptic wanting to control the value of dilithium. (Imagine the government reintroducing the gold standard, coming into your house, and burning half your money to make everyone else's worth more.) The veteran bridge officers were the bandaid they were thrown after that. It wouldn't do, in the interest of personal greed, to stomp all over that.

To suggest people, large numbers of people, should now get even one of those, is brazen enough. So to suggest they get ten? Seriously? What's the reasoning here? Trade one group of offended people for a (hopefully, I don't know the numbers) smaller group of offended people? Are you sure you're not posting from the PWE head office? Cause as far as damage control goes, this is a pretty ******** up way of doing it.

If they want to fix this, let them, but let them come up with something else. Closest to this idea they should dare come would be creating new veteran bridge officers of Uncommon and Rare quality, but leave the original Very Rares untouched.
Reave

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# 28
10-12-2012, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by hrisvalar View Post
What. The Hell. Happened to "people who bought their LTSes/subs 1000 days ago aren't special"? Honestly, Levi, for you of all people to take up this issue is bordering on offensive.

The veteran bridge officers were given to players (or more specifically, characters) that LOST (unlike LTSers did here, as you and your ilk so love to point out) a considerable quantity of currencies in the conversion to Dilithium, which was deliberately skewed take away a larger percentage from those who'd collected the most. Sometimes in excess of half.

Me, I'd only gotten one, and I'd love to get another for my runnerup alt who didn't quite make it, some way, some how. But some people got half a dozen. They lost what would've been hundreds of thousands of if not millions of dilithium (there are a few), which for all intends in purposes in this game represents real money. Taken away for no better reason than Cryptic wanting to control the value of dilithium. (Imagine the government reintroducing the gold standard, coming into your house, and burning half your money to make everyone else's worth more.) The veteran bridge officers were the bandaid they were thrown after that. It wouldn't do, in the interest of personal greed, to stomp all over that.

To suggest people, large numbers of people, should now get even one of those, is brazen enough. So to suggest they get ten? Seriously? What's the reasoning here? Trade one group of offended people for a (hopefully, I don't know the numbers) smaller group of offended people? Are you sure you're not posting from the PWE head office? Cause as far as damage control goes, this is a pretty ******** up way of doing it.

If they want to fix this, let them, but let them come up with something else. Closest to this idea they should dare come would be creating new veteran bridge officers of Uncommon and Rare quality, but leave the original Very Rares untouched.
The devs who made them said they wanted them to be more common and available through other means. People who lost out in the conversion still get theirs. Exclusivity shouldn't be a form of respect anyway so this could appease a larger group of upset people while reinforcing that nothing is exclusive and no group gets perpetual esteemed status.

To me, on one hand, lifers don't need perpetual respect but neither do people who hoarded emblems after being told to spend them. You get your free dessert, your free cookie, not a license to be special, whoever you are.

As a customer, I don't think the complaints over vet changes are all that grounded. As someone who has been in business, I will concede that a complaint being invalid in MY eyes doesn't mean it shouldn't be responded to.

This is, all things told, a fairly cheap way to do it. I think you're overvaluing the Vet BOffs but the fact that they're easily overvalued also says to me that they should make them the standard "sorry for your inconvenience" prize.
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# 29
10-12-2012, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by anazonda View Post
Wow.. you are pretty greedy arent you?

I bet you fell for "that dev's" statement about "hurry up spend your emblems", and now you are just crying that you want the BO too.
Because "Ignore the Devs to Win" is somehow better than "Pay to Win"?

I did fall for it. Falling for it was doing the right thing in my eyes.

So was compensating a perceived slight. And since these were created to compensate for a perceived slight, I say use 'em that way.
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# 30
10-12-2012, 03:55 PM
So, you're going to acknowledge a perceived slight in group A, but you're not going to acknowledge the perceived value of something to group B, while acknowledging the perceived value of that very same thing to group A, so you give them group B's bauble, and create a new perceived slight, for group B this time.

It could be cause I'm crazy, but uh...

I fail to see the progress.

Next we'll need to give group C's shiny bauble to group B, and group C will perceive an all new slight of their own and, well... We already put the Galaxy-X on the C-store. Surely they ought to be used to it by now?

Cryptic can create a vicious cycle, or they can create some small new token item. Or they can do nothing. Which is maybe not better, but definately less noisy than option 1.

Now, I'm no programmer or art-guy, so I don't know every detail, but it seems to me that you are often inclined to overstate the time and cost involved in doing anything 'new'. Which is a little disingenious, as just a few posts back you yourself were already dreaming up new races for vet BOs to be added, which would be no cheaper a thing to do. Most of what makes a bridge officer already exists. All that really needs to be done for something like this, is for some numbers to be crunched on a bridge officer trait, and some default skills to be chosen. Art hardly even gets into it. That's what the tailor is for.

For what little cost there is in this, as opposed to say a ship with moving parts and elaborate new abilities, or just a new combadge, it's not as if Cryptic didn't come into some money recently.

Quote:
Originally Posted by stoleviathan99
The devs who made them said they wanted them to be more common and available through other means.
I'm not opposed to that. It sounds familiar enough anyway. A token for one (1) might've made a good vet award, before those were rendered relatively meaningless. They might've (but didn't) fit well as a character-bound award for maxing all your CXP categories. They might (but probably won't) be added character-bound to one of those reputation systems. All of these (except the vet reward in some situations before, and definately now) would've reflected an amount of time and effort put in appropriate for something that bears the title veteran. It was used as a band-aid for the lost exploration marks and PvP badges (or was it the other way around) but it still represented stuff got done. I'd like to see them make another appearance, and I'd love some more worthwhile Boffs that can actually wear a Starfleet uniform...

But after out of the blue taking something group A already (practically) had and giving it to someone else, your solution cannot be to solve the problem by doing the same exact thing to group B. Cause you'll keep having the same problem.
Reave

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