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# 31
10-24-2012, 04:44 PM
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Please not another old and ugly ship which was just a cheap and quick build for a szene in ST:NG.

I find the STO Fan Designs like the Odyssey and the Chimera (except for the transformation part) much better. They look more appropriate for the year 2409.

We all with our thoughts on these. Some of the newer ships, you won't even see me use one. I can't stand their looks. Which is why I hadn't bought any yet. I'm almost to the point of buying the Odyssey. But the neck area with twin necks looks weak, and the saucer isn't even centered right. Which is why I'm still using the Sovereign.
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# 32
10-24-2012, 04:46 PM
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Since the Niagara is a three-nacelle design, would it work as a Deep Space Science Vessel?
I was thinking of a science or attack cruiser maybe. The options on how to use it is there.
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# 33
10-24-2012, 05:26 PM
It very well could be a Deep Space Science. Since it doesn't seem to have an official designation, not that I could find in Memory Alpha or Ex Astris Scientia. Although I'm still in favor of having it as a Cruiser. Simply because I'm an Engineer. Not that this would prevent me from using it, I have a Deep Space Science Vessel.
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# 34
10-24-2012, 08:02 PM
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I have little intention of getting the Chimera, it bothers me greatly by its design. I'd much prefer to have seen the Legacy-class, or Century-class as alternatives now those are two beautiful fan made vessels.

Back on topic:

How would one, if the Niagara per say came as a skin. How do you present that, if you are Cryptic/PWE. She's got three nacelles versus the Ambassador's two.

On top of this, what consoles would you offer the Ambassador/Niagara and do you add two alternative skins to aid in this new 'kit-bashing.'
The size differential, plus the added nacelle, I'm not sure the Niagara could even be an Ambassador skin. It may need to be its' own ship. And why not? Would be much more fun having another ship anyway vs. just a skin. And then the Devs could play around with the ship and what it could potentially offer.
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# 35
10-25-2012, 07:25 AM
HMM, the Niagara is, oversimplified, an Ambassador with 3 Galaxy nacelles and a bigger saucer.

So she has a bigger internal volume than the Ambassador and can theoretically carry a larger crew compliment and additional cargo bays (for spare parts etc.) and transporters.
Let's use this to our advantage.

In one of the old Ambassador class threads I proposed a few different special abilities that might go well with that class.
One that might actually be even better suited for a ship with such an enlarged saucer.

Special Ability: Damage Control Team

The large saucer on the Niagara provides excellent room for a high crew compliment and additional support facilities.
In emergency situations Damage Control Teams that consist of specialists from all departments can be deployed on the ship itself or quickly beamed to allied ships in need.

Effect:
The combined effects of Science, Engineering, and Tactical Team 2 restore the ship to working order and provide the defenses needed to keep it running under advese conditions.
Cooldown: 3 minutes.

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# 36
10-25-2012, 10:42 AM
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The size differential, plus the added nacelle, I'm not sure the Niagara could even be an Ambassador skin. It may need to be its' own ship. And why not? Would be much more fun having another ship anyway vs. just a skin. And then the Devs could play around with the ship and what it could potentially offer.
And...

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Special Ability: Damage Control Team

The large saucer on the Niagara provides excellent room for a high crew compliment and additional support facilities.
In emergency situations Damage Control Teams that consist of specialists from all departments can be deployed on the ship itself or quickly beamed to allied ships in need.

Effect:
The combined effects of Science, Engineering, and Tactical Team 2 restore the ship to working order and provide the defenses needed to keep it running under advese conditions.
Cooldown: 3 minutes.
I approve whole heartily of both. Aforementioned, I am in love with the Niagara having had one in a play by forum.

Now my feel is that she's a fast little buggar, and that little healing ability would assist her greatly. I also don't recall if she was featured in some actual table top RP book or not, but the Niagara is more suited to a dog fight. Her speed is her best friend as she wasn't exactly armed to the teeth but her turn rate should be above that of a normal in-game cruiser.

I won't say she could keep pace with that Defiant [ENG - Speaking], but she could certainly give it a run for its money.

Would that be an agreeable trait for the Niagara?
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# 37
10-25-2012, 11:00 AM
I'm sorry but I'll have to disagree with you, at least when it comes to impulse speeds.

The Niagara must be a very heavy ship and from the few available images, she only has a single impulse engine in the neck like the Ambassador.
This may sound confusing so I'll try to explain what I mean.

According to the TNG Technical Manual, the warpcoils (only the warpcoils) from the two nacelles make up 25% of a Galaxy's mass.
The Niagara is based on an Ambassador frame and is fitted with nacelles that are much bigger than those on a conventional Ambassador...and on top of that with three of them.
Thus at impulse speeds the ship has to carry a lot of "dead weight".
Because from what information is available that is all they are at impulse speeds.
This might also explain why there are so few ships with more than two nacelles: it's a tradeoff between not straining the engines at high speed and adequate maneuverability at sublight.
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# 38
10-25-2012, 02:12 PM
Oh how I do love Memory-Beta.

She was large yes, but she was fast.

Memory Beta's Niagara Class
The Price of Freedom, RPG by Last Unicorn Games

And somewhere a friend of mine has the PDF of this book, which lists a little more detail on the Niagara herself. She did make use of all three nacelles, thus making her that little fast cruiser. I can certainly see where her dead weight might come into play.

But as Data once put it, "fully functional."

That is the Niagara with all three of her Nacelles. It was that exact third nacelle that gave her, her energy boost. This was of course with a cost.

Edit: Nevermind, my friend deleted said book u.u and yeah... T_T

This is all I have, the Memory Beta.
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# 39
10-25-2012, 02:47 PM
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Aforementioned, I am in love with the Niagara.


misskorya, this is for you. One of the nicest looking images of the Niagara I've been able to find online.

http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1...NG_NIAGARA.jpg

but...

this one looks pretty good too: http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs51/f/20...freak74656.jpg
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# 40
10-25-2012, 06:47 PM
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misskorya, this is for you. One of the nicest looking images of the Niagara I've been able to find online.

http://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1...NG_NIAGARA.jpg

but...

this one looks pretty good too: http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs51/f/20...freak74656.jpg
*tears well up in shear beauty, in an anim? style*

She's beautiful mon Capi-tan!

Thank you, though in all seriousness I shall save these and slap the latter onto my desktop!
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