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# 1 Chimera and Peghqu' Class
10-14-2012, 03:38 PM
Yeaaaaah.....both these ships are exactly the same in stats except the Chimera has a 0.9 shield modifier while the Peghqu' Class has a 0.833 Shield Mod. So I ask you....WHY THE HECK...does the Peghqu' Class have a Battle Cloak and the Chimera doesnt? Surely you do not believe that a VERY SLIGHT difference in Shield Strength doesnt make one more worthy of the Battle Cloak ability, or any cloaking ability at all....seriously...not cool Cryptic/PWE....

Last edited by kaeaja; 10-14-2012 at 03:40 PM.
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# 2
10-14-2012, 03:40 PM
dun see what the problem is... want a battle cloak, go play KDF, problem solved.
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# 3
10-14-2012, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jorumgandr View Post
dun see what the problem is... want a battle cloak, go play KDF, problem solved.
Simply put, there is a REASON why the Bird of Preys were the ONLY ships to have a Enhanced Battle Cloak/Battle Cloak, because they have WEAK hulls and very poor shield modifiers. But the Peghqu Class has 34,500 hull, and a 0.833 shield mod, that is WAY to strong a hull in comparison to the B'rel Bird-of-Prey, for the Peghqu to have a Battle Cloak, simply put, they need to either give the Chimera a Cloak/Battle Cloak ability or give only a simple Cloak to the Peghqu, but not a freaken battle cloak, that just makes the Peghqu way to strong.

Edit: I see absolutely no reason why the Chimera cannot have an innate cloaking ability while the Peghqu has the Battle Cloak, but if anyone wants to argue I can put down the stats of both ships if you really think you have any sort of counter argument to render mine invalid.

Chimer Heavy Destroyer and Peghqu Heavy Destroyer:

1) Hull: 34,500

2) Shield Modifier: 0.9 (Chimera) 0.833 (Peghqu)

3) Crew: 750

4) Weapons: 4 Fore and 3 Aft

5) Device: 3

6) Bridge Officer Stations: 1 Commander Tactical, 1 Lieutenant Engineering, 1 Lieutenant Science, 1 Universal Ensign, 1 Universal Lieutenant Commander

7) Console Modifications: 4 Tactical, 3 Engineering, 2 Science

8) Base Turn Rate: 14 degrees per second

9) Impulse Modifier: 0.22

10) Can equip Cannons

These ships are exactly the same except for the VERY VERY slight difference in their shield modifiers and the fact that the Peghqu has a Battle Cloak. So I honestly have to ask, why is it that the only one of these two ships that has a cloak of any kind is the Peghqu when honestly considering the stats, that the Chimera should have a cloak of some kind to?

Last edited by kaeaja; 10-14-2012 at 04:12 PM.
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# 4
10-14-2012, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jorumgandr View Post
dun see what the problem is... want a battle cloak, go play KDF, problem solved.
I agree, heck KDF characters start at what level 20, so even less grinding to get one to have the ship.

If these were Z-store ships of the same cost, I could see the complaining, perhaps.

These however are Vet rewards and if you have access to one you have access to the other, either as a 1000 day veteran or a LTS.

Think of it as an additional rewards for being a 1000 day vet or LTS and a KDF player.
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# 5
10-14-2012, 08:12 PM
God... why is this thread here? Get your head out of your rear and think about what is required to get this ship. 300 dollars. PLUS time invested. PLUS it's a KDF ship. A klingon ship that can cloak. What a novel concept. -.-
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# 6
10-15-2012, 12:24 AM
I see some of you are completely missing what i am saying, The Peghqu doesnt have just a simple cloak, its got a Battle Cloak, now stop dodging my question, why does this ship have a battle cloak instead of a standard cloak? If these two ships are to be the same then they need to have the same abilities otherwise one is just stronger then the other and i happen to know that a battle cloak gives you a huge advantage. Both of these ships ought to have a standard cloak, or at the least the Peghqu's cloak should be a normal cloak.

Last edited by kaeaja; 10-15-2012 at 01:21 AM.
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# 7
10-15-2012, 12:28 AM
It's a hybrid cruiser/escort. It is also a LTS ship. As I have said before, you pay 300 dollars for this ship. It's also a 9 console ship instead of 10. Both of those are reason enough to give it a better cloak. PLUS it's supposed to be a top of the line ship. AND it's KDF. NOT STARFLEET. There are only 3 fed ships in canon that had a cloaking device. The U.S.S Defiant, the U.S.S Enterprise (alternate reality/future reality version), and Admiral Janeway's shuttle from "End Game".

Yet virtually every klingon ship you ever encounter post 22nd century has cloaking capability. So of course this one should be able to cloak. That being the case, it should have the best and the baddest stuff out there. And the battle cloak is significantly better than a regular cloak dontcha think? That is also a reason why the FEDERATION ship doesn't have cloak. That being said, have I answered your question yet?
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Last edited by hereticknight085; 10-15-2012 at 12:31 AM.
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# 8
10-15-2012, 01:35 AM
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It's a hybrid cruiser/escort. It is also a LTS ship. As I have said before, you pay 300 dollars for this ship. It's also a 9 console ship instead of 10. Both of those are reason enough to give it a better cloak. PLUS it's supposed to be a top of the line ship. AND it's KDF. NOT STARFLEET. There are only 3 fed ships in canon that had a cloaking device. The U.S.S Defiant, the U.S.S Enterprise (alternate reality/future reality version), and Admiral Janeway's shuttle from "End Game".

Yet virtually every klingon ship you ever encounter post 22nd century has cloaking capability. So of course this one should be able to cloak. That being the case, it should have the best and the baddest stuff out there. And the battle cloak is significantly better than a regular cloak dontcha think? That is also a reason why the FEDERATION ship doesn't have cloak. That being said, have I answered your question yet?
No you absolutely have not, infact you've only served to prove my point even more. The Chimera/Peghqu are a hybrid of cruiser and escort, and for 300 dollars I would expect the Fed version to have a Cloak of some kind, and besides if the Battle Cloak is really the best of the best, why is it that not all of the klingon ships ((IE the ships of purely Klingon origin)) dont have a battle cloak in the game? All of the non Bird of Prey Klingon ships have just a regular cloak while the only ships that HAVE the Battle Cloak are the Birds of Prey. The Chimera and Peghqu have the same amount of hull strength and only a VERY VERY small difference in shield modifier, the Peghqu should not have a Battle Cloak, at best it should have a normal cloak just like all other NON Bird of Prey ships on the Klingon side in this game.

Hereticknight085, in all likely hood your only disagreeing with me because you have both ships and prefer playing as a Klingon and thus you want your Peghqu to be better then the Chimera, IE you want your prefered side's ship to be op. That is exactly what is happening here, to much power has been given to the Peghqu and thats not fair to the Chimera. The Chimera has NOTHING unique about it to give it an advantage that offsets the Peghqu's MASSIVE advantage that it has with its Battle Cloak. In short the Peghqu has to much power because of the Battle Cloak and thus the Battle Cloak needs to become a normal Cloak, or the Chimera needs to be given something special to make up for the fact that it doesnt have a cloak of any kind and because the Peghqu does have a Battle Cloak. One way or another this has to be fixed or people are not gonna be happy. You honestly cannot sit there and tell me that these two ships are balanced while one has a drastically big advantage against its Fed counterpart.

Last edited by kaeaja; 10-15-2012 at 01:42 AM.
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# 9
10-15-2012, 03:32 AM
to be honest mate , i dont see how you can make the claim that klingon ships are overpowered , when for the longest time the fed side had a distinct advantage over every ship the KDF could put out ( excelsior anyone ? )
so its got a battle cloak , so what ?
no offence intended , but this just strikes me as yet another ' i want a battle cloak on a fed ship '
i know that it gives the klink ship an advantage over the chimera but thats what is supposed to happen , klingon ships have always been dangerous BECAUSE THEY CLOAK

also , battle cloak is a powerfiul tool , but how many ways are there now of knocking ships out of cloak ?
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# 10
10-15-2012, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by kaeaja View Post
Hereticknight085, in all likely hood your only disagreeing with me because you have both ships and prefer playing as a Klingon and thus you want your Peghqu to be better then the Chimera, IE you want your prefered side's ship to be op. That is exactly what is happening here, to much power has been given to the Peghqu and thats not fair to the Chimera. The Chimera has NOTHING unique about it to give it an advantage that offsets the Peghqu's MASSIVE advantage that it has with its Battle Cloak. In short the Peghqu has to much power because of the Battle Cloak and thus the Battle Cloak needs to become a normal Cloak, or the Chimera needs to be given something special to make up for the fact that it doesnt have a cloak of any kind and because the Peghqu does have a Battle Cloak. One way or another this has to be fixed or people are not gonna be happy. You honestly cannot sit there and tell me that these two ships are balanced while one has a drastically big advantage against its Fed counterpart.
WALL OF TEXT ALERT!!!!

*facepalm
*double facepalm
*QUADRUPLE FACEPALM (borrowed my friends hands for that one)

Do you see a "(insert faction here) Veteran" under my title? Do you see "Career Officer" under my name? If you said yes to either then you can accuse me of what you did in this last post, and then you should probably get your eyes checked.

But if you said NO, then allow me to tell you what that means. The only ones who can use those titles are subscribers/LTS. I am FREE TO PLAY. I am not a LTS, and as such cannot own either ship. I have not flown either ship, and never care to do so.

ALSO if you paid ANY attention to any threads other than your own, you would see I am a mostly Fed player (hm... I started I think 3 threads in the fed forum, responded to at least a dozen, and on the kdf forum... I think maybe 2?). I actually prefer my fed (or at least I will until my fleet bothers to get a tier 2 starbase, then I will probably play kdf more) and rather like flying my fat space whale.

So I basically just nullified both of your attempts to justify that what I am saying as logic to be favoritism to the klingons. But you know what? They deserve it. They deserve to get better things than the feds. For one reason only.

The federation has been getting the best of the releases since launch, and even after the KDF came out as playable, the feds still got better stuff with every new release.
You don't believe me? Look at carriers. That was supposed to be KDF exclusive, then the atrox came out, then the nightmare known as the armitage came out. What did the KDF get? The Kar'fi (great ship mind you), but they have NOTHING that comes even close to the armitage (if you say corsair, Imma slap you, there's no comparison there).

Then the feds got the Regent. What did KDF get? More bugs. A few more voles in their EPS conduits. And a tribble colony in their replicators.

The KDF side has weaker escort class ships (compare fed escorts to KDF raptors and you will see HUGE discrepancies with performance, and I mean actually fly the two sides, don't just look at stat sheets), NOTHING in the science department save two gorn ships (neither of which are tier 5), and cruisers that cannot tank nearly as well (granted they make up for it with high damage output and being more nimble, but still).

And you have the gall to sit here and tell me the KDF gaining a ship that is slightly better is a travesty (and yes, it's only slightly, you overestimate the power of a battlecloak)? The true calamity here is that you never bothered to compare the two sides as a whole, and if you did, you would see that the KDF isn't being given an advantage here, it is in fact being given something that will help bridge the already massive gap in strength between the feds and KDF.

Being as it's 4 in the morning here, I would love to add on to this list of why the battle cloak is fair, but just re-read what I said, and maybe you'll see the logic as to why the Chimera and Peghqu are fair. They are identical in every way, except the klingon one has slightly less durability, but has a battle-cloak, and the chimera is tankier. Believe it or not, that .07 can save your butt. Especially in PvE, knock enough damage off a torp to live XD.

And as for battle-cloak? Yeah, I agree, it was a little odd that they gave it a b-cloak instead of a regular cloak, but hey, whatever, that ship cost 300 dollars to get, might as well give it TOtL stuff.

And the feds do not naturally have cloaks. So why would the chimera have one? And if you say because it's a 300 dollar ship like the KDF one, I will simply respond that yes, it's a 300 dollar ship, but guess what, it's a hybrid escort/cruiser. And not a dinky hybrid like the Specter from halo, but a really good hybrid, like the ones from SC2. It has the best of both worlds. The tankiness and healing ability of a cruiser, combined with the speed, maneuverability and probable damage output of an escort. It's essentially the perfect ship (except it only has 9 console slots. Weird choice there Cryptic XD). So what if it can't cloak? The Chimera can dish it out, and take it. Da bugga no need da cloak bra!

P.S. To OP, on a side-note, there is only one perfect cloak in the game, and it belongs to the Romulan/Reman Scimitar-Class Dreadnought. That is the ONLY ship that can still have it's shields up when cloaked (ironically enough it can also recharge them during that period of time, just ask anyone who does KSE. @#$%ing Donatra... -.-). Anybody else, when you cloak, your shields go down. BoP, Raptor, BattleCruiser, Heavy Destroyer, Defiant-R, Fleet Defiant-R, it doesn't matter. If you get hit by mines/torps/the kitchen sink during that period, there's a good chance your ship will be totalled (or at least need a new outer hull and paint job depending on the ship class).
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
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