Rihannsu
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# 11
10-14-2012, 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by cavadus View Post
Attaching a few static rewards doesn't all of the sudden not make it gambling. You put your money into the machine, pull the lever, and cross your fingers. All lockboxes do is ensure a minimum payout.

There are slot machines which do that too. If lockboxes aren't gambling then neither are slot machines
yes they do payout but its totally random at least 90% of the slot machines are.

also you purchase a key not a box and you can sell them on exchange, (key isnt any sort of gambling)

Lock boxes may only give a minium of a lobi, but its still garenteed to happen, and isnt a random loss or gain.
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# 12
10-14-2012, 12:37 AM
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Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
even if they were the devil, the complaints about them has lost all novelty for me
So ?
All Cryptic have done is make the pill less bitter to swallow .
The pill is still there .
You have just conformed .


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Grab bags are not gambling.
Yes they are .
Look for the slot machine analogy in this thread .

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Originally Posted by srspells View Post
Lock boxes may only give a minium of a lobi, but its still garenteed to happen, and isnt a random loss or gain.
-Spells
You fail to understand that a basic element of gambling is the random factor .
You are randomly awarded Lobi . You are only guaranteed a minimum amount .
And that minimum amount is not worth $1.25 . (imho)
Anything above and beyond that has a random chance element attached to it .
Random chance element + money = gambling .

Last edited by aelfwin1; 10-14-2012 at 12:43 AM.
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# 13
10-14-2012, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by thedoctorbluebox View Post
I will never embrace the greedy gambling scam of lock boxes. The gambling nature of acquiring items is horrible. I will continue to be vocal about my dislike for it. Those items should all be c-store items. I will never like it, accept it, nor keep my mouth shut about it. You will not convince me otherwise.
How many videos have you released of lockbox ships?
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# 14
10-14-2012, 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
I get sick of lockbox snark infiltrating every thread.

The jokes aren't funny. The complaints are old. The lockboxes aren't that bad and I think they serve a good role in the game's economy. But even if they were the devil, the complaints about them has lost all novelty for me.

I get sick of the baseless idea that nothing that isn't a lockbox is getting developed, that lockboxes are somehow harmful to the IP (an IP that is proudly plastered over ACTUAL lottery tickets and slot machines), and most of all, seeing lockbox complaints in threads that aren't about lockboxes, derailing things.

The jokes aren't funny. The complaints are mostly baseless or tired or baseless and tired at this point and the principal complaints left are about the idea of lockboxes, not the execution. The complaints seem to generally be paranoid and pessimistic.

It's all been said. Can we as a community just acknowledge they're here and they're a vital part of the game and that the jealousy over the dev attention they receive, overstatement of their impact, and paranoid, knee-jerk, endless badgering over the issue doesn't and will never do one iota of good for anything.

Am I crazy about them? I have mixed feelings. But I'm past the turning point where I find lockboxes less annoying than people who dislike lockboxes.
Well said. Fat chance though.
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Rihannsu
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# 15
10-14-2012, 12:43 AM
I personally have never had a problem with lockboxes, and they have improved to the point where i do actually like them rather than just accept them.

I do agree with the OP that people complain about them way too much but in fairness most of the improvements have come from the complaint feedback so it has had an effect on improving it for everybody.

the one's who hate them to the point of wanting them gone forever are wasting their time but i guess its their time to waste but what annoys me is that the fact that some people use almost any thread to complain about it. talking about lock boxes in threads about lockboxes are fine. people can at least avoid those thread. endlessly complaining about them in almost any thread no matter the topic is not.

embracing them is asking too much, that's just as futile and a waste of time but derailing dozens of thread with talk of them is spam and needs to stop.

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# 16
10-14-2012, 12:46 AM
As how much I dislike Lockboxes, I'm afraid they are here to stay.

Only way that could change is if lockboxes are considered illegal by governments or someone buys STO from PW and gets rid of them in favor of in-game stores.


On the bright side, they do bring in tons of income.......in which I'm still waiting for in-game returns, instead of more lockbox gimicks.
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# 17
10-14-2012, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by aelfwin1 View Post
So ?
All Cryptic have done is make the pill less bitter to swallow .
The pill is still there .
You have just conformed .




Yes they are .
Look for the slot machine analogy in this thread .



You fail to understand that a basic element of gambling is the random factor .
You are randomly awarded Lobi . You are only guaranteed a minimum amount .
And that minimum amount is not worth $1.25 . (imho)
Anything above and beyond that has a random chance element attached to it .
Random chance element + money = gambling .
see you fail to understand that that lobi is an amount that is worth what the user thinks it is, the random chance is a bonus not the item you are garenteed to get,]

money+item gareenteed which can be used for items in a store, the rest is a bonus. they state only that YOU ARE GAREENTEED ATLEAST 4 LOBI and A ITEM, not that you are gareenteed a ship.

so it is a grabbag according to this logic.
grab bag
n.
1. A container filled with articles, such as party gifts, to be drawn unseen.(all items are unseen just like doff packs.)

gambling is this
gam?ble (gmbl)
v. gam?bled, gam?bling, gam?bles
v.intr.
1.
a. To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.(not uncertain as you know you get lobi plus 1 item.)
b. To play a game of chance for stakes.(your not gaining any advantage or a stake just whats gareenteed lobi + 1 item)
2. To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.(we do with ingame stuff even if its not costing so this point is invalid)
3. To engage in reckless or hazardous behavior: You are gambling with your health by continuing to smoke.(dont smoke?)
v.tr.
1. To put up as a stake in gambling; wager.No wager
2. To expose to hazard; risk: gambled their lives in a dangerous rescue mission.(not relevent)
n.
1. A bet, wager, or other gambling venture.(your not betting or doing a wager)

hm cant be a gambling when for 1 you buy a key and you are gareenteed to make money off other people if u sell it, 2.all is gareenteed in items(again 4 lobi +1 item)

People choose to buy them and spend 400$ on it thats thier call but its not gambling.

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# 18
10-14-2012, 01:05 AM
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Originally Posted by srspells View Post
people if u sell it, 2.all is gareenteed in items(again 4 lobi +1 item)

People choose to buy them and spend 400$ on it thats thier call but its not gambling.
1 you not gareenteed a million dollars when some one buys a 5 dollars ticket

2 People choose to go to Vegas every day and lose it all but like you said its there call
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# 19
10-14-2012, 01:08 AM
difference is the lottery doesnt garentee you any money infact its completely chanced based, See the logic here?
5 dollar ticket oops i loss wasted 5$
lockbox, 4 lobi and wow I got a item garenteed sweet.

and yep people do choose to spend money on a chance but the lockboxes are not cardgames or things without a garentee, they have a garentee, if you dont like the 4 lobi and 1 item then dont buy it, simple as that.
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# 20
10-14-2012, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by srspells View Post
difference is the lottery doesnt garentee you any money infact its completely chanced based, See the logic here?
5 dollar ticket oops i loss wasted 5$
lockbox, 4 lobi and wow I got a item garenteed sweet.

and yep people do choose to spend money on a chance but the lockboxes are not cardgames or things without a garentee, they have a garentee, if you dont like the 4 lobi and 1 item then dont buy it, simple as that.
-Spells
and a lock box ships are not a game of chance?
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This! Their ability to outdo their own failures is quite impressive. If only this power could be harnessed for good.
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