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# 21
10-14-2012, 01:12 AM
not at all as its the + 1 item, they dont garentee a ship its just there.

remember as I stated its 4 lobi at least plus a item, by law this isnt gambling.

also the reason ebay cant stop sport card grab bags as it can offer a shiny card but most time doesnt.
most time a grab back will say u get 3 cards and 1 rare card, but that rare card could be worth 5 cents

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# 22 Hear Hear
10-14-2012, 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
I get sick of lockbox snark infiltrating every thread.

The jokes aren't funny. The complaints are old. The lockboxes aren't that bad and I think they serve a good role in the game's economy. But even if they were the devil, the complaints about them has lost all novelty for me.

I get sick of the baseless idea that nothing that isn't a lockbox is getting developed, that lockboxes are somehow harmful to the IP (an IP that is proudly plastered over ACTUAL lottery tickets and slot machines), and most of all, seeing lockbox complaints in threads that aren't about lockboxes, derailing things.

The jokes aren't funny. The complaints are mostly baseless or tired or baseless and tired at this point and the principal complaints left are about the idea of lockboxes, not the execution. The complaints seem to generally be paranoid and pessimistic.

It's all been said. Can we as a community just acknowledge they're here and they're a vital part of the game and that the jealousy over the dev attention they receive, overstatement of their impact, and paranoid, knee-jerk, endless badgering over the issue doesn't and will never do one iota of good for anything.

Am I crazy about them? I have mixed feelings. But I'm past the turning point where I find lockboxes less annoying than people who dislike lockboxes.


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# 23
10-14-2012, 01:26 AM
I suppose part of the thing is that a lot of people see the new lockboxes between seasons. Like the Temporal one we got a couple weeks ago, and thus all they 'see' is the new lockbox.

But it isn't like we haven't gotten new things this year. This is an internet forum though, and thus it's pretty much the most vocal people voicing their opinion, almost always negative stuff.

I do admit I'm a little tired of them, but remember, this is PWE's way of doing it, and damn to anybody if they intend on changing it. The 'gambling' (which is a grey area in my opinion), and grinding is what they do. Not saying it's right, or that I accept it.

Nor do I think that the community should 'embrace' them. That's too far, really the very thing PWE wants, because it's what they do. Acceptance though, is more reasonable. You have to accept a lot of things in your life. Like if you voted for one guy, and the other guy won, so you might not like it, but you have to accept it.

The thing I have, isn't about lockboxes, but the bigger issue: PWE pretty much forces their business model onto STO, making it how they want it to be made. They have such an obvious, single-minded focus that really gets to the point of sickening me because of their clear, blatant greed.

And if my post gets edited for all that, so be it.

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# 24
10-14-2012, 01:32 AM
mimey, lets be honest all publishers do this, EA, activsion( and why not were not the ones that payed 50 million for cryptics technology.) not saying we have to be happy about it, but this is business not for lollipops and butterflys.

and if you all think other companys arnt as greedy check out the above, if a publisher wants something bad enough millions of $ works.

Im sorry I run a business so I love to discuss this aspect of the game.
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# 25 another good post
10-14-2012, 01:32 AM
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see you fail to understand that that lobi is an amount that is worth what the user thinks it is, the random chance is a bonus not the item you are garenteed to get,]

money+item gareenteed which can be used for items in a store, the rest is a bonus. they state only that YOU ARE GAREENTEED ATLEAST 4 LOBI and A ITEM, not that you are gareenteed a ship.

so it is a grabbag according to this logic.
grab bag
n.
1. A container filled with articles, such as party gifts, to be drawn unseen.(all items are unseen just like doff packs.)

gambling is this
gam?ble (gmbl)
v. gam?bled, gam?bling, gam?bles
v.intr.
1.
a. To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest.(not uncertain as you know you get lobi plus 1 item.)
b. To play a game of chance for stakes.(your not gaining any advantage or a stake just whats gareenteed lobi + 1 item)
2. To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit.(we do with ingame stuff even if its not costing so this point is invalid)
3. To engage in reckless or hazardous behavior: You are gambling with your health by continuing to smoke.(dont smoke?)
v.tr.
1. To put up as a stake in gambling; wager.No wager
2. To expose to hazard; risk: gambled their lives in a dangerous rescue mission.(not relevent)
n.
1. A bet, wager, or other gambling venture.(your not betting or doing a wager)

hm cant be a gambling when for 1 you buy a key and you are gareenteed to make money off other people if u sell it, 2.all is gareenteed in items(again 4 lobi +1 item)

People choose to buy them and spend 400$ on it thats thier call but its not gambling.

All of this is quite true... One thing i find odd about the thinking of the folks your excellent rejoinder targets is the assumption all the players are addictively open lock boxes trying to get a ship. This is certainly not the case for me. I prefer the fleet ships myself but use the odd lockbox ship for fun. I buy the keys more for the lobi rewards and also to support the game. F2P folks add greatly to the game as far as im concerned accept monetarily so try to fill the gap when i can. Also the minor rewards really add up and can make nice gifts for people you like playing with and greatly add to fleets. Heck i might just look through this thread and send some keys to my favourite posters
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# 26
10-14-2012, 01:34 AM
I have no problem with Lockboxes. I like the Lobi Store but I think every new thing shouldn't be put in it. I miss when the C-Store had Regular Releases every month or 3 a month. I know the game needs to make money. I've been a 15$ a month subber since August 2010. I have earned a title of an Outspoken Community Member on the old forums and a open minded individual on the new forums. I like this game. I have a lot of lockboxes on some toons. Hell I may just make another toon just to store and open lockboxes. If a developer is reading this. You know I love you. I should get a shirt saying "Dstahl is my homie". I've supported this game since I joined and I am going to continue to support it. I want to see this game grow. I want to see EVERY SINGLE canon ship in game. Canon costume in game. New assets. new C-Store Items. New game in general. I hope a developer reads this and maybe responds. I enjoy STF's. PVP. Mostly PVP. Storyline missions are always a must. equal amount for all factions in my opinion. Including Unique Story. Keep it coming cryptic.
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# 27 just curious???
10-14-2012, 01:35 AM
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I will never embrace the greedy gambling scam of lock boxes. The gambling nature of acquiring items is horrible. I will continue to be vocal about my dislike for it. Those items should all be c-store items. I will never like it, accept it, nor keep my mouth shut about it. You will not convince me otherwise.

Would write a nice Limerick extolling the virtues of lock boxes for a Mobius destroyer??? Just wondering.
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# 28
10-14-2012, 01:36 AM
I wholeheartedly agree with the OP.

The lock boxes ARE here to stay, like it or not as it funds the F2P model of business. They have been improved in the fact that they all now give lobi, and the rewards are more numerous than pevious boxes. You may have noticed that the DEVs have also made them common items, removing them from the Need/Greed system in STFs which has made them a non existent problem now. And in story missions, I personally find the endless common item drops with hypos and food in them FAR more annoying and numerous than lock boxes.

If I have some spare zen at the end of the month I buy maybe one or two keys, just for the off chance. And I am perfectly happy doing this.

As for moaners hijacking other threads, they need to grow up, stop being selfish and accept that they are not the only voice and opinion on the forums. I suggest that mods ban them as they see them because it is actually becoming a type of spam.

And for those who are still whining,

YOU DON'T HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME, and if all your going to do is whinge then go away!
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# 29
10-14-2012, 01:36 AM
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All of this is quite true... One thing i find odd about the thinking of the folks your excellent rejoinder targets is the assumption all the players are addictively open lock boxes trying to get a ship. This is certainly not the case for me. I prefer the fleet ships myself but use the odd lockbox ship for fun. I buy the keys more for the lobi rewards and also to support the game. F2P folks add greatly to the game as far as im concerned accept monetarily so try to fill the gap when i can. Also the minor rewards really add up and can make nice gifts for people you like playing with and greatly add to fleets. Heck i might just look through this thread and send some keys to my favourite posters
sounds good I always love keys.
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# 30
10-14-2012, 01:52 AM
I hate lock boxes for one reason

There isn't a mirror universe Galaxy class
Cruiser box which is just as powerful as a
Bug
For Engineers !

Jellico....Engineer.....Stargazer KDF Tac
Saphire.. Science.....Ko'el Rom Kdf Tac
Leva........Tactical.....Mailu KDF Sci

JJ-Verse will never be Canon or considered Lore...It will always be JJ-Verse
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