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# 31
10-15-2012, 07:27 PM
Hahaha nice, i love these responses. Did I really say that the Chimera needs to have a Battle Cloak? I have openly suggested it could either use a Battle Cloak OR a NORMAL Cloak. Also Admiral Janeway's shuttle had Stealth technology which made it cloaked. Secondly in regards to the Wells Class Timeship, why would a Temporal Ship need a cloaking device when it can make sure its own presence is never known? That is what the Wells does, It made sure the timeline was not polluted and it didnt even need to travel through time so its existence is already unknown, so to judge that a ship doesnt have a cloaking device just because you havent seen it use one, doesnt mean it doesnt have one.

BTW, if you want to get all canonical on me, let me put it this way, the Mask Energy Signature is essentially a Cloak in of itself, it just doesnt litterally hide the ship from the naked eye but just sensors. So Fed ships can already Cloak themselves by masking their energy signature from sensors, sure its not as strong as a true blue Cloak. Point being the Federation already has means of hiding themselves when they need to, however they could do that alot better if they had wide spread use of Cloaks.

And....yes....the Treaty of Algeron is null and void....if you pay attention to the little tid bits of information that pass through in Loading Screens, you would know that. If you really paid attention to Canon, the Treaty of Algeron is what keeps the Federation from using Cloaking technology even though they really want to but cant.
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# 32
10-16-2012, 12:19 AM
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Yeaaaaah.....both these ships are exactly the same in stats except the Chimera has a 0.9 shield modifier while the Peghqu' Class has a 0.833 Shield Mod. So I ask you....WHY THE HECK...does the Peghqu' Class have a Battle Cloak and the Chimera doesnt? Surely you do not believe that a VERY SLIGHT difference in Shield Strength doesnt make one more worthy of the Battle Cloak ability, or any cloaking ability at all....seriously...not cool Cryptic/PWE....
Hi, welcome to the game, The KDF ships(not all of them) run with cloaks.
The Feds do not(with 2 exceptions).

The new kdf ship has a battle cloak you say? Surprise.

I love that they have cloaks, it makes it so much sweeter when I manage to get that high yield quantum torpedo salvo away just when they cloak and drop their shileds.
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# 33 reply
10-16-2012, 12:38 AM
defiant was only supposed to use cloak in gamma quadrant but they did bend the rules and yes the feds used cloaaking tech remember the cloaked holo ship from insurrection . since the main romulean empire collapsed the feds should be researching cloaking and anti cloaking tech since they aare now facing a cloaking enemy in the kdf.
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# 34
10-16-2012, 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by proteus22 View Post
defiant was only supposed to use cloak in gamma quadrant but they did bend the rules and yes the feds used cloaaking tech remember the cloaked holo ship from insurrection . since the main romulean empire collapsed the feds should be researching cloaking and anti cloaking tech since they aare now facing a cloaking enemy in the kdf.
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# 35
10-16-2012, 04:10 AM
Federation tries to make friends/peace with everyone, they're not going to throw away the treaty for a slight advantage.. Cloaked armed ships give a distinct impression of trustworthiness of the race that uses them to other races. warlike, sneaky, raiders, ambushers. et al: not to be trusted, the antithesis of federation policy. the 2 they created had specific purposes. are known by all races familiar with the federation and somewhat accepted...as long as they don't start building fleets of them.

in the current time frame the federation cannot afford to irritate the klingon empire or what's left of the romulan empire. needless to say they still want to be at peace with both. creating a cloaked heavy destroyer would cause tensions with both empires.

federation also has various methods for making a cloak ship their...b. while cloak is engaged and if it can be detected it can be severely damaged or killed swiftly. while the feds happily cruise along with shields up. there's also the fact that both klingon and romulan empires are rather partial to mine fields of various flavors. cloak won't help you there, cruising through with shields up however makes them less of a threat.

and quite simply cloaking tech is getting long in tooth, it's been around for a long time, marginal improvements (compared to how long it's existed) and there are several counters for it. more most likely being researched. which is far more beneficial to the federation than developing and building their own cloaked ships.

they still get to look like knights in shining armor strutting around unafraid and uncloaked. not sure where the OP gets that 'federation must research cloaking tech'

it is against their moral policies, it is against how they want to be perceived by other species. cloaking developement would directly influence their chances for peaceful resolution...and in their eyes...make them no better than the klingons or the romulans...first step to becoming the terran empire in this universe.

OP...you just want a cloak...you don't give a frak about canon or anything else. rationalizations to try and convince yourself and others that it should happen. when everything about the federation, the current politics, everything says it should not. you don't 'boldly go' when cloaked >.> that's called sneaking.
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# 36
10-16-2012, 06:21 AM
I kinda agree with the above poster... it always seemed like a cultural decision to me, and when you think about it it makes a lot of sense. Same reason they use euphemisms like "escort" instead of destroyer or warship, stuff like that.

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# 37
10-16-2012, 06:24 AM
The federation was forbidden in the khitomer accord from researching anything close to cloaks, right? What federation would they be if they broke such treaties?
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# 38
10-16-2012, 06:29 AM
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The federation was forbidden in the khitomer accord from researching anything close to cloaks, right? What federation would they be if they broke such treaties?
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# 39
10-16-2012, 06:31 AM
I feel I must point out, nothing that is logical, makes sense, and is against the Chimera getting a battlecloak will even be read/understood/even counted for anything by OP it seems.

And OP has as of yet to answer my question.

Why should the Chimera get a battle-cloak? Or even the ability to cloak period?

(cuz let's face it, he's sorta right, with the way cryptic has thrown canon out the window, there is no reason why the Chimera SHOULDN'T get the battle-cloak. But OP has as of yet to give a good reason why it SHOULD. Tit for tat my friend. As meimetoo stated, laws of physics state that for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. And for all intents and purposes, I am being a major countering force to his argument. =P)
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Last edited by hereticknight085; 10-16-2012 at 06:34 AM. Reason: Sleepy. Needed to clarify on certain things, and add some stuff.
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# 40
10-16-2012, 06:54 AM
well he did state that it made the klingon ship ' op ' and that the shield modifier difference wasnt enough for him
thats pretty much his reasoning right there it seems , ' their toy is better than ours '
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