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# 111
10-18-2012, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by trhrangerxml View Post
I'll reserve judgement until I see the changes fully on Tribble, but you are screwing over a lot of players. I would of loved to have seen the ability to augment more sets. For example, a science flying a Temporal Vessel with MACO Deflector, MACO Shields, Borg Engines, Borg Console and all three Temporal Warfare pieces gets a MACO, Borg and Temporal buff (could also run both ship consoles). I liked the idea of adding a console to the MACO and OMEGA sets so you could fly MACO x2 and OMEGA x2 or add other 4 piece sets, for more possibilities and combination (IDIC, or infinite diversity in infinite combinations).
I'll just point that almost invariably when space sets come up in forum posts or game chat, the combo that comes up is 3 Piece Borg and MACO Shield (or KHG Shield). When everyone (for some value of "everybody") is saying the same thing, that's an alarm bell that says it need to be looked at.

I use the same thing in my day job. When a large number of users are complaining about or reporting the same thing, that warrant me paying attention to it. Even if all of my monitors systems say that nothing is wrong.
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# 112
10-18-2012, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by borticuscryptic View Post
The trouble this presented, is that the passive heal procs present on the 2- and 3-piece Borg Set bonuses were intended originally to offset the downside presented by having a low-capacity shield array in an end-game environment where heavy spike damage was present (STFs). When you remove that shield from the mix, and replace it with a high-capacity alternative, you begin to receive all of the benefits and none of the downsides.

Translation: "We noticed some of you were having too much fun, and we decided it was time we did something about it."

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# 113
10-18-2012, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by icegavel View Post
An exploit would be finding an invincibility glitch and using it to run STFs, like Voldemort way back when. This was a tactic. A build, like any other.

On to your other comment, so its "proper place" is total uselessness? I had nearly 13,000 shield capacity before this, and they were STILL being ripped apart before this. Now I've got 9,075, and that will vanish even FASTER. You may like being torn to ribbons because the Borg stick on you whether or not you're cloaked and halfway across the map, but I don't. And yes, I HAVE had that happen. Hell, I had an Elite Tactical Cube chasing an Advanced Escort for 10 minutes. But, back on topic, the point is that we had a passable tank build, and cruisers had half an iota of relevance in STFs. Now, the reign of the Glass Cannon Escort will be complete and eternal, and I don't like that playstyle. I did NOT pay $200 to EXPLODE.
Funny, because using the Borg Set combo this thread describes, I always exploded Now I don't use that set, and that doesn't happen anymore

It's simple: you can move on and try something else that works. People were abusing that combo like no tomorrow, and now it's finally over. I'm glad for that
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Translation: "We noticed some of you were having too much fun, and we decided it was time we did something about it."

OR "You're abusing our sets, and we're putting a stop to that".

Seriously, it's not that hard
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# 114
10-18-2012, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by borticuscryptic View Post
At the risk of re-igniting the flames, allow me to attempt to explain the reasoning behind this change...

The Borg Space Set was originally balanced around the concept of players using all four pieces. This included the Regenerative Shield.

After the set went live, it became very evident that the vast majority of players did not wish to use the Borg Shield. Instead, they began running 2- and 3-piece conglomerations of Borg Set + Other Shields (and frequently Other Engines or Deflectors).
I just want to pipe up here about something that I've tried to get across a couple times before but always seems to get drowned out. Most of the sets have great 2 pcs bonuses but the idea of putting an activate-able ability as the top tier ability is DEEPLY flawed. Nerfing the Borg set may cause people to stop using the 3 BORG + MACO shield setup, but it doesn't solve the root of the issue.

The truth is, I have NEVER considered equipping a full set of space gear. Most of the abilities are either weak, have a long cool down, or don't fit the set they're applied to. In other words: The benefit of equipping a complete set is not, and never has been, worth the cost.

The borg tractor, for example, recharges magnitudes slower then the T1 tractor power. Granted it has a power drain, but what's worth more: a relatively weak power drain or much higher shield strength from another shield?

The full set bonus for a set should be the biggest, most appetizing ability, on the set. People should be looking at a set and torn by gaining the set bonuses and having to deal with the sets drawbacks. The current design actually gives players more incentive to equip 2of3 or 3of4 set pieces on their ships.

If you wanted more people to use the full sets remove the activate-able abilities from the bonuses and move them to consoles (which may or may not be part of the set) and give us passives that are worth equipping the set.



I should mention that the ground STF sets dont suffer from this issue because the nature of the set bonus, instant re modulation, is a huge boon. The other ground sets however, do.

That's just my opinion anyways, I'm guessing there's more then one person around here that will agree with me.
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# 115
10-18-2012, 03:58 PM
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Funny, because using the Borg Set combo this thread describes, I always exploded Now I don't use that set, and that doesn't happen anymore

It's simple: you can move on and try something else that works. People were abusing that combo like no tomorrow, and now it's finally over. I'm glad for that

OR "You're abusing our sets, and we're putting a stop to that".

Seriously, it's not that hard


You don't get to call it "abuse" just because the developers didn't think things through in advance, and I can't agree with punishing us for what they've now decided was a "mistake."
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# 116
10-18-2012, 04:01 PM
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You don't get to call it "abuse" just because the developers didn't think things through in advance, and I can't agree with punishing us for what they've now decided was a "mistake."
No, but I can agree with correcting it

Which is much better than criticizing them for making the mistake in the first place. We all do that anyway with something or another, or we don't think things through in advance
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# 117
10-18-2012, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by trek21 View Post
Funny, because using the Borg Set combo this thread describes, I always exploded Now I don't use that set, and that doesn't happen anymore

It's simple: you can move on and try something else that works. People were abusing that combo like no tomorrow, and now it's finally over. I'm glad for that
The fact of the matter is, the Elite STFs are an environment where a Borg torpedo (not even a HIGH YIELD torpedo) has been known to crit through 7,000 shield and 58,000 Hull. Reducing the amount of shield someone can have in order for them to keep a regen proc is nonsensical. It's like they said, "Hey, someone's having too much fun. NERF NERF NERF."

And it's not abuse.It's just use, and I very RARELY saw anyone using it, so glued up the aft section of the MACO/Omega sets had they become. I'll be glad when Cryptic nerfs the living Gre'thor out of glass cannons and see you whining about that.

Now I'm just waiting for TOR to go F2P, because Cryptic just made me not want to play this game anymore. If it hadn't been for the fact that my Lifteime was a birthday present, I'd unsubscribe. They've screwed up THAT bad.
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# 118
10-18-2012, 04:07 PM
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Now I'm just waiting for TOR to go F2P, because Cryptic just made me not want to play this game anymore. If it hadn't been for the fact that my Lifteime was a birthday present, I'd unsubscribe. They've screwed up THAT bad.
Maybe your standards are just too high

But seriously, I don't agree with that assessment, as I enjoy this game, even as my opinion of the grinds is merely 'meh'.

Then again, I enjoy the medicore as much as the best And I don't care which STO is, whether in opinion or fact; I still enjoy it
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# 119
10-18-2012, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
getting the tractor for running the whole set to is a nice touch, i approve of the reasoning, anyone who ran the full set loses nothing. and if you all think a tractor beam isn't an incredibly powerful tool, your noob is showing.a tractor beam at the right time, wile an escort is trying to gun down someone, will boost the damage the target takes tremendously because you just wiped away their defense score.
In regards to Tractor Beams, a lot of people don't realize how good they for increasing damage. A ship which at a dead stop not only lose their speed Defense Bonus , they are inflicted with a -15% Defense Penalty on top of everything else. (Any lighbulbs going off?)
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# 120
10-18-2012, 04:12 PM
Its not the end of the world, people need to quit worrying about this. Tanking tac cubes is still easy in a cruiser using full MACO, Honor Guard, or Omega, I still usually survive tanking tac cube in escort too unless they get a lucky super high damage crit. I get hit by plasma torps all the time too since I let them hit me on purpose at point blank range to damage the cubes and still rarely die. Even my BOP can tank a cube long enough to solo it without 3pc borg, it really is unecessary and a crutch.
I use all the 3 pc sets all the time in STF now to get used to not using 3pc Borg and haven't had any problems. In fact I like how all the sets engines have better turnrate and deflecters have better stats too.
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