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# 221
10-18-2012, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by orondis View Post
As did I, numerous times AND I use it in my builds. I still think this change while good, doesn't go far enough.

Face it, the set is extremely overpowered and was a mistake from day one.

This pretty much.

Nothing wrong with full Maco or KHG other than they need to boost sector speed on both the KHG and Omega engines.

Some of us are still going to be tanky escorts because we know what we're doing and have our ships set up right, but I do have to agree. The Borg set has been ridiculous and this change needed to happen so that people actually start using other gear.

Might want to check out some of the fleet deflectors. Set bonuses aside, they're some of if not the best deflectors in the game. Try the positron with targetting on it. Much more tanky than the Omega deflector.
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# 222
10-18-2012, 04:38 PM
I think it only fair that both maco and khg get nerfed and broken up as well so everyone will be researching new builds.

There, that should let the maco and khg users know how the Borg set users feel. Not a lot of empathy in these forums, basically "I have a sandwich how can you be starving?" mentality.

I have decided that I will just mount the Borg shield and remove the console.

I have a Time ship and don't need these new weapons and I have many consoles I can replace the Borg one with.

I would post testing results, but server authentication is currently planned for Season 7......
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# 223
10-18-2012, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by thlaylierah View Post
I think it only fair that both maco and khg get nerfed and broken up as well so everyone will be researching new builds'

There, that should let the maco and khg users know how the Borg set users feel. Not a lot of empathy in these forums, basically "I have a sandwich how can you be starving?" mentality.
I've underlined the mistake here.

Virtually no one uses a full MACO/KHG set, who in their right mind passes up the benefits of the Borg set.

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Originally Posted by borticuscryptic View Post
Even after the Borg Set Bonuses were toned down several months ago, nothing really changed. The vast majority of players continued to run Borg 2- or 3-piece, plus a shield of their choosing, benefiting from a design oversight to a degree that left combat in an imbalanced state.


I have used the Borg set pretty much since it was first introduced and earned it the hard way (far harder then the current method). Even though I'm still using it now, I'm more then well aware how overpowered it is and how much is needs to be nerfed. Even after this nerf, I'll still be using a 2-piece borg set.

Nothing like watching as some poor highly skilled escort captain tries his damned hardest to kill you, only to be stopped as the Borg set returns your hull and shields back to full health. No skill required whatsoever.
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# 224
10-18-2012, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by entnx01 View Post
This is exactly the reason they're changing it.

They were meant to be run as a 4-piece set. Instead, players chose to do a 2+2, using the Console to free up the Shield slot most of the time and getting the 2-piece bonus of another set.

The change is to put back the original intent of having to run the Shields, Engines, and Deflector all at the same time if you want all the set bonuses. The Tractor Beam was included as a 3-set additional bonus so as to not take that away should someone already be running the 3-piece set with the console.

As a fellow PvE'er, I don't like it either. But then again, that's why I stick with PvE. For me, this is a minor inconvenience. My play style relies on shields, so I just switch out Deflector or Engine to keep the 2-piece Borg bonus. If I were a PvP'er, I'd have to rethink my whole build before Season 7 hits.
Of course, it's not a tragedy, but as you say, an "inconvenience" it is. Just got to a point of thinking my half-dozen builds were fine as they were and that I could move to new ships. Sadly, I'll have to go back and re-evaluate all of the current builds.

And damn, time is so hard to come by. That's why I'm sad. If they rather nerfed SDO doffs, I wouldn't mind (even though I use them on about half of those builds).

(Also, if they actually get to boosting the 3-set bonuses, it will just throw in a couple more potentially useful combinations. Great for the game, sure, but again, "inconvenient" for me.)

EDIT: Sorry for the egoist rant, I just need some sleep...
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# 225
10-18-2012, 06:22 PM
The only way these changes are going to be good is if they made it more possible to get the omega / maco stuff.

Example:
I've been trying to get the prototype deflector and I've yet to get one. I quit trying after 3 weeks of doing KA Elite 5 times / day to get it. They need to make it where you can turn in say 5 or 10 Rare Engines, Deflectors, and shields and get the prototype version of it so you can actually get a full set.

Otherwise, imo, escorts are supposed to be big tanks. They're not supposed to be glass cannons and these changes do make a huge difference to a single class. The Borg set as it is right now, is worth the 15 ec's to upgrade if you don't feel like redoing all the quests and things to get a lvl 50 set that way.

But.. has anyone looked at the other set pieces @ lvl 50? Have they changed -all- the sets or just the borg set? Also, have they introduced a Fleet Set yet? Questions to be found out.
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# 226
10-18-2012, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by praxian2012 View Post
The only way these changes are going to be good is if they made it more possible to get the omega / maco stuff.

Example:
I've been trying to get the prototype deflector and I've yet to get one. I quit trying after 3 weeks of doing KA Elite 5 times / day to get it. They need to make it where you can turn in say 5 or 10 Rare Engines, Deflectors, and shields and get the prototype version of it so you can actually get a full set.

Otherwise, imo, escorts are supposed to be big tanks. They're not supposed to be glass cannons and these changes do make a huge difference to a single class. The Borg set as it is right now, is worth the 15 ec's to upgrade if you don't feel like redoing all the quests and things to get a lvl 50 set that way.

But.. has anyone looked at the other set pieces @ lvl 50? Have they changed -all- the sets or just the borg set? Also, have they introduced a Fleet Set yet? Questions to be found out.
technically you can make a fleet set by using the equipment at your base. But having a fleet set akin to what maco or omega would be might be kind of redundant. Unless they make some kind of system where we can actually build the traits of each specific piece into a custom equipment set. I don't know if that is even possible. -- If you could modify equipment like you modify your character traits, that would be cool.
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# 227
10-18-2012, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by thlaylierah View Post
I think it only fair that both maco and khg get nerfed and broken up as well so everyone will be researching new builds.

There, that should let the maco and khg users know how the Borg set users feel. Not a lot of empathy in these forums, basically "I have a sandwich how can you be starving?" mentality.

I have decided that I will just mount the Borg shield and remove the console.

I have a Time ship and don't need these new weapons and I have many consoles I can replace the Borg one with.

I would post testing results, but server authentication is currently planned for Season 7......
Think you need to calm down a bit, you act like the game is going to be destroyed by this. Its not like they are removing the set from the game or the procs, if you depend so much on the borg set then you can still use it.

At least this way you can choose to use other sets. Maybe now the other sets will see some love or we will see new sets down the pipeline. Besides if you ask me like I said earlier in this thread...I think the new set with the old set might be even more OP and easy mode since I'm guessing you can't live without that.
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# 228
10-18-2012, 07:58 PM
I thought I posted quite calmly what I was going to personally do:

Not be drawn in to their next grind fest due to the new weapons bait.

So with me, and I'm sure others, this move is a fail as not only does it make me dislike their company more (always surprises me that that's possible) It also fails to elicit the response (further game involvement) that it is designed for. (other than their usual overreacting due to forum spammers.)
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# 229
10-18-2012, 08:02 PM
Like I said before, wouldn't be the first time this has happened in the MMO world and probably won't be the last. Its not the end of the world and I think it would be nice to have the option of using something else besides the Borg set.
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# 230
10-18-2012, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by shredder75 View Post
Nothing wrong with full Maco or KHG other than..
Other than the fact that some, or all, of their set bonuses are pointless.

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