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# 61
10-17-2012, 06:14 AM
So, knowing that the Borg set is getting nerfed, I'll probably go for a full set MACO or OMEGA. I've got one MkXII piece of each and will therefore have to work to obtain the rest. Should I be going for full OMEGA or full MACO?

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# 62
10-17-2012, 06:16 AM
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Especially in light of the fact that, if escorts do become somewhat more squishy because of this change, the need to actively resist the heal-cruiser's pressure DPS may "return".
After this change, a possible change to tactical Team and possibly adjusting the BFI DOffs, Escorts may become squishy enough that none of the proposed changes will be needed for Cruisers or Engineers that have been given in other threads.

Though I would still like to see them come about anyways just to enhance gameplay choices.
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# 63
10-17-2012, 06:18 AM
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So, knowing that the Borg set is getting nerfed, I'll probably go for a full set MACO or OMEGA. I've got one MkXII piece of each and will therefore have to work to obtain the rest. Should I be going for full OMEGA or full MACO?
2-piece borg set plus Maco shield appears to be the best by the looks of it.
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# 64
10-17-2012, 06:19 AM
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2-piece borg set plus Maco shield appears to be the best by the looks of it.
That's what I'm currently running (well, three-piece as have console), but the changes seem to indicate that this won't be as effective a setup as it currently is.

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# 65
10-17-2012, 06:20 AM
You don't need a full set of either (now anyway - bear in mind they may change too) - the 3 part bonus for each is pretty weak (Heavy Graviton Beam for the MACO and Gravitic Anchor for the Omega) - out of the two, the Gravitic Anchor is the more useful toy but it's still a toy.

If you're only interested in functionality get the MACO shields and then whatever combination of Engine and Deflector works for you. MACO engines are faster in sector space (at the price of the wibbly-wobbly warp bubble - some like it, some hate it), Omega engines have a faster cooldown on Quantum Slipstream etc.

MACO is more defensive, Omega is more offensive.
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# 66
10-17-2012, 06:21 AM
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Seriously?? You guys really think it's that OP? I haven't used the Borg set in over a year now - after the last run of nerfs it just seemed really - meh. I hardly ever even use the console now.

It's bland, it's ugly (the ship mods and the VFX are hideous) and the only people that use it religiously are min/maxxers who'll stick with a given setup irrespectively if they think they get 0.5% more mojo from it.

Screwing around with the Borg set is just wasted development effort in my opinion. They're monkeying around with existing content only to repackage it and present it as 'new' content.

And to put it another way - all of the development effort that's gone into futzing with the Borg set could've resulted in a) a completely new set or b) a revamp of Aegis (which could really use some love) - unfortunately the Aegis set doesn't fit neatly into their new Omega grind so they've left it to rot.
I think it's OP that you could get a 3 piece set bonus while getting a 2 piece from another engine/shields set or using a shield that was better than the Borg shield, yeah. Especially since the Borg set was supposed to be outclassed by Omega Force/MACO.
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# 67
10-17-2012, 06:22 AM
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After this change, a possible change to tactical Team and possibly adjusting the BFI DOffs, Escorts may become squishy enough that none of the proposed changes will be needed for Cruisers or Engineers that have been given in other threads.

Though I would still like to see them come about anyways just to enhance gameplay choices.
They may need to look at nerfing STFs once they quash all the elite math semi-exploits though. Elite ones, anyway.
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# 68
10-17-2012, 06:27 AM
See, I've never seen that the Borg stuff should be outclassed by Omega/MACO - sure it's easier to earn, but it's just another option. And honestly, since I've switched to full MACO in my Excelsior I haven't missed the Borg gear at all.

Maybe there's been one or two PvP matches where those procs might've saved my ass but there's so little in it that I'm not going to sacrifice a build I enjoy for a build that might be more durable.

Once upon a time the Borg set was uber - it isn't any more and hasn't been for a long time. It certainly didn't need working over.
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# 69
10-17-2012, 06:29 AM
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See, I've never seen that the Borg stuff should be outclassed by Omega/MACO - sure it's easier to earn, but it's just another option. And honestly, since I've switched to full MACO in my Excelsior I haven't missed the Borg gear at all.

Maybe there's been one or two PvP matches where those procs might've saved my ass but there's so little in it that I'm not going to sacrifice a build I enjoy for a build that might be more durable.

Once upon a time the Borg set was uber - it isn't any more and hasn't been for a long time. It certainly didn't need working over.
It was stated by Cryptic to be a Mk X starter set.

Why would "another option" cost 5 EDC a piece when the MACO or Omega Force Mk X costs 20?
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# 70
10-17-2012, 06:33 AM
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You don't need a full set of either (now anyway - bear in mind they may change too) - the 3 part bonus for each is pretty weak (Heavy Graviton Beam for the MACO and Gravitic Anchor for the Omega) - out of the two, the Gravitic Anchor is the more useful toy but it's still a toy.

If you're only interested in functionality get the MACO shields and then whatever combination of Engine and Deflector works for you. MACO engines are faster in sector space (at the price of the wibbly-wobbly warp bubble - some like it, some hate it), Omega engines have a faster cooldown on Quantum Slipstream etc.

MACO is more defensive, Omega is more offensive.
Thanks for the advice

Will likely go for a combo - as I said, I have one MkXII piece of each (Omega & MACO) set so will likely go for Omega MkXII engine, MACO MkXII shield and decide on the deflector once I have the prototype tech to actually obtain one!

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