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Career Officer
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For a couple of months I have been reporting cheating to the staff here through the Request GM Help menu. So far, no response from the GM's. Completely ignored. Bots, adds and mods have not only gone unpunished as I've encountered the same players and player accounts in pvp over and over again, but the use of these cheat programs seems to be spreading. I have encountered more and more players capable of sustaining over 300k in damage without having to heal. Some of them deliberately flaunting the cheat by letting opponents in a 3v1 (in one instance I was involved in) continuously fire on them for minutes before bothering to engage them. And no, there were no members of their team supporting them with heals.

As a player who owns all Mk XII purple tac consoles on a tac officer in a Jem'Hadar Attack ship and is well educated on skill point distribution, it is apparent that the (unknown entity) in the combat log that is taking damage from players as well as dispatching them, is cheating. (my attempt to assure readers that I am not presenting this issue with knowlege gaps in this game's mechanics).

So the main cheat I've been seeing is the "invincibility." The "God Hammer" cheat is one I am unsure of as of yet. Mainly because on occasion I have critted for close to 100k. And the rest I would feel foolish to mention because I don't have much more than suspicion to go on. But has no one else noticed or submitted a ticket for similar issues happening to them?


My biggest issue is that staff seem to be taking a sideline. The abuse gets reported and the only reply is silence? Is Cryptic/Perfect World looking into this issue as a potential threat to the integrity of our game..., is anyone working in the quality assurance department? Has anyone else sent abuse reports that went unanswered? Have any of you gotten a response if you reported this as an issue? Can we get a response that this is actually an issue? Or even an explanation as to how the conclusion we've come to might be mistaken?

It's hard to believe that the cheating isn't prevalent when the players cheating are running adds that scrub the combat logs of their participation in these pvp matches. But I am willing to accept that I have overlooked something if someone could show me what I've missed.

Last edited by robuille; 10-17-2012 at 03:01 PM.
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# 2
10-17-2012, 03:10 PM
I can't say I've seen this, but I rarely PVP. I'm bumping this over to the PVP forums, but I'd suggest trying to give some more specific details without player names, /bug reporting it when you see it etc.

Not easy I know, but any information you can offer will help devs spot things
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# 3
10-17-2012, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by robuille View Post
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I've PvPed since the game launched and I've never heard of some of the things that you're talking about.

The ability to damage another playce depends on more than just your consoles, in fact it depends very heavily on the setup that you're running from Boffs to Weapons and even doffs to an extent.

If you're willing to share what you're running (Boff setups, Weapons, and the power levels you're running) then we can help you to figure out why you're not performing up to what you believe you should be doing.

**Note, doing well in STFs does not mean you do well in pvp, you might not have been thinking that but you'd be surprised the number of people that believe that doing well in STFs means they're awesome at everything

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# 4
10-17-2012, 03:16 PM
Do you have any evidence other that 'I shooted at them, and they didn't die'?
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# 5
10-17-2012, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by robuille View Post
So the main cheat I've been seeing is the "invincibility." The "God Hammer" cheat is one I am unsure of as of yet. Mainly because on occasion I have critted for close to 100k. And the rest I would feel foolish to mention because I don't have much more than suspicion to go on. But has no one else noticed or submitted a ticket for similar issues happening to them?
Are you saying you've critted for 100k or someone else has?

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# 6
10-17-2012, 03:20 PM
In particular on the big crits I can think of tric mines being culpable and as sivar said there is more to it than consoles, timing being the obvious one.
You should probably name some more specific examples to help your cause.

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# 7
10-17-2012, 03:21 PM
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Are you saying you've critted for 100k or someone else has?
I'm guessing that he's been crit for 100k, and that's still possible to do if you get everything in a row for a tricobalt hit or a perfect storm Javelin crit. Otherwise you'd have to go back to the old Beam Overload 3 to get wrecked for 150k or more.......

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# 8
10-17-2012, 03:33 PM
Too generic of a description.

A high resist shield build w/high regen built in will absorb a lot of damage if they're not debuffed and it's sustainable depending on the target and it's build.

You can be debuffed and have your defenses lowered.

The KDF Vet ship and Fleet Torkaht can really put out a lot of dps compared to what's out there which has been imo a needed boost to the KDF. Though the Lotus has lolz GDF etc potentional AOE damage.

Lotto ships can really absorb and or do damage depending on the ship or build.

Feds are going to have their own 5 tac console escorts (to go w/the Jem) if they aren't here yet.

I mainly PuG PvP arena/C&H and can tell you it's night and day comparing players who know how to build and use their build vs those who don't. Usually, it's those who don't that are in the greater #s at any given time.
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# 9
10-17-2012, 04:14 PM
op, no one is cheating, they just actually know what their doing. stop reporting people that are better then you, what a terrible thing to do.

its incredibly easy to seem invincible, and its incredibly easy to spike someone to death in a second. tricobalt mines and BO3 1 shot people all the time.

if you cant measure up, ask for help.
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# 10
10-17-2012, 04:45 PM
Disclaimer - none of this said with an attitude.

My expected that in posting this I'd be getting a lot of assumptions from readers that I am inexperienced and whining.

This is not the case.

I do not wish to share my build with the whole forum either. So instead of giving a blow by blow how to make my ship..., here are some stats I can list.

In combat space with 125/95 power to weapons, my three fleet dual heavy cannons do 2062 damage, 1374 dps unbuffed. With a tac team, attack pattern alpha + omega 3, go down fighting, tac fleet, and two Hamlet Conn Officers each dual heavy cannon does 4501 damage, 3000.1. Each weapon I possess is a fleet weapon with the [acc] proc.

I have acc and elusive for passives. full points in attack patterns, projectile weapons, several in energy spec and projectile spec, full in targeting sys and maneuvers, more than enough in weap perform and full in electroplasma sys..., oh yeah and weapons training is full. I think we can agree that these are the core essentials in damage output. Indeed nothing lacking there. my torps do 5657 unbuffed and over 12k buffed.

that said I put out in raw data pre-contact with enemy vessel somewhere over 20k/sec avg within the first 5 seconds of opening volley. the next 10 seconds after sees about 15k/sec.

And I'm not factoring in crit.

Also factor in my use of DEM and a fully sensor spec'd Fire on My Mark.

That should be enough information to validate credibility.

Now for said targets that I've reported.

First off, forget the "invincibility cheat" for a moment and lets address the scrubbed names of alleged offenders from the combat log. I've fought a group of players and recorded the combat logs from the beginning of the match. A simple thing you can do by using the command: /CombatLog 1. Now here's an example of what the players register in the log as...

[Combat (Team)] an unknown entity deals 266 (533) Phaser Damage to **** with Phaser Array.

[Combat (Team)] an unknown entity deals 309 (617) Phaser Damage to **** with Phaser Array.

[Combat (Team)] an unknown entity deals 823 (1647) Tetryon Damage to **** with Dual Heavy Tetryon Cannons - Scatter Volley III.

[Combat (Team)] an unknown entity deals 910 (1821) Tetryon Damage to **** with Dual Heavy Tetryon Cannons - Scatter Volley III.

[Combat (Team)] an unknown entity deals 700 (1400) Tetryon Damage to **** with Dual Heavy Tetryon Cannons - Scatter Volley III.

The * are blocking out the name of the person being attacked by the hacker so as to follow forum rules. Mind you, I have the name and @ handle of the person otherwise known as "unknown entity" and watched him attack **** and though all of the players on our team show in the combat logs when we fart sneeze or cough, this particular player always registers as "an unknown entity".

Now I have to ask..., how is that? Every honest player registers for any action with their character name. Yet this team had multiple players whose identity is masked. The same players that are flying defiants that are impervious to hull damage.

I obviously can't and won't post the whole combat log, but it doesn't read anywhere close to what a normal combat log looks like with honest players.

This has been an essay so I'm done for now. It may be easy or even fun for this community to look down your noses and assume the poster is a lackwit. I'm writing because something is terribly broken. And broken enough that players are disguising themselves in combat logs to evade being caught breaking the user agreements. I truly feel it is ruining the integrity of the game and I was hoping for someone to look at this post and take it seriously instead of trolling the poster.
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