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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 251
10-31-2012, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by atomictiki View Post
It will be an adventure obtaining those items. You may think it's a grind within a grind within a grind within a grind, but this is AAA MMO content that will keep people playing for YEARS!
LOL...

I wonder if anyone on the dev team is really proud to say "Yep.. *I* designed THAT grind..." or "Hey *I* was the one who decided on the dilithium requirements, seems fair right?"

Dev team... you guys need to rework your revenue stream, I don't care if this is what "other MMOs" are doing, it's simply not fun. It's understandable the company needs money but find a better way to get it, STO deserves better....
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Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,503
# 252
10-31-2012, 06:17 AM
I don't know if it's a bad thing overall...

I mean, it's a decent move on Cryptic's part - making dilithium more desirable so that people would buy more Zen and post it on the dilithium exchange. When Season 5 launched I kind of laughed that there's basically nothing to use dilithium for, as most things could be obtained by other means. Season 6 changed that with starbases and Season 7 will add more with reputation system. But I still don't consider this a bad move.

What I DO consider terrible however is how Cryptic's integrating the new changes with current game. I just want to cry and yell "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG!!". I've got no issues with grind, honestly. This is an MMO game, players may sometimes be forced to work their way to get new shinies. But the current implementation not only requires players to grind two completely new currencies that are obtainable in different missions, but also nerfs current dilithium rewards AND doesn't provide any new ways of obtaining it whatsoever (ok, there's, like, one new daily... worth 480... "yay"...).

I just can't get my head around this. Instead of introducing a system that is actually rewarding AND enjoyable, they force players to grind completely different missions for completely different rewards just to be able to progress through a system with artificial time barriers that unlocks additional dilithium and mark stores. And that is definitely NOT fun, and believe me whan I say players won't feel they're acomplishing something by playing, but rather will consider the new content an unnecessary busywork...

Last edited by suaveks; 10-31-2012 at 06:19 AM.
Ensign
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 19
# 253
10-31-2012, 07:39 AM
Dear Cryptic,

What are you doing here? No Story for the reputation-System. But grinding grinding an doff-grinding! We need to much doff's! Fleet embassey, fleetstarbase and reputaion-System! I hate this! Pls nerve this again, or you are loosing some storygamers
Empire Veteran
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# 254
10-31-2012, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by suaveks View Post
I just can't get my head around this. Instead of introducing a system that is actually rewarding AND enjoyable, they force players to grind completely different missions for completely different rewards just to be able to progress through a system with artificial time barriers that unlocks additional dilithium and mark stores. And that is definitely NOT fun, and believe me whan I say players won't feel they're acomplishing something by playing, but rather will consider the new content an unnecessary busywork...
You mean that being forced to farm stupid fleet actions when you like difficult endgame content where you need to cooperate with other players such as STFs to get your STF rewards is stupid?

Yeah we'll be forced to compete in stupid queues with others to get our dil to buy our completely unrelated rewards... Instead of forcing us to play the klingon scout force or the gorn minefields to get the dil we need to play the content we like, the devs should wonder why people don't queue for that crap.

Last edited by diogene0; 10-31-2012 at 08:39 AM.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 99
# 255
10-31-2012, 08:39 AM
My Mk XI Assault Weapon store unlock finished (after 40 hours)... man what a let down!

There are 7 miniguns in the store. No other weapons types (I was hoping for a pulsewave).
They have 2 modifiers + 5% plasma and disruptor procs.
The info text speaks of slowing down the target (possibly leftovers from copy/pasting the text from phaser weapons).

They cost 10,760 Dilithium each. This is more than much better Fleet Advanced Mk XII weapons, and only slightly less than nearly comparable weapons from the Dilithium store.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 256
10-31-2012, 03:23 PM
I just unlocked Tier 1 of both reputation, Holy Moly are the requisitions excessively costly!

Omega Force: 20K Dil for each piece of the retro Borg set(formerly 5 EDC), and 15K for the console(free mission reward)... wow. Plus a ton of Omega Marks (250?). A tenth of that Dil amount I could maybe see, but the current prices very few newbies and new toons are going to be flying with the retro set anymore. I'd hate to see the prices of the MK XII sets...

Romulan: hey the hangars only cost 10K dil... AND THIRTY (30) DOffs of a certain rarity and type! WTF? I didn't look at anything else, as I was so fed up I just logged out of Tribble entirely after seeing that...

I can only hope that these costs get dropped massively (80-90% off, not 5% lowered) before it hits Holodeck.
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# 257
10-31-2012, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by tom61sto View Post
I just unlocked Tier 1 of both reputation, Holy Moly are the requisitions excessively costly!

Omega Force: 20K Dil for each piece of the retro Borg set(formerly 5 EDC), and 15K for the console(free mission reward)... wow. Plus a ton of Omega Marks (250?). A tenth of that Dil amount I could maybe see, but the current prices very few newbies and new toons are going to be flying with the retro set anymore. I'd hate to see the prices of the MK XII sets...

Romulan: hey the hangars only cost 10K dil... AND THIRTY (30) DOffs of a certain rarity and type! WTF? I didn't look at anything else, as I was so fed up I just logged out of Tribble entirely after seeing that...

I can only hope that these costs get dropped massively (80-90% off, not 5% lowered) before it hits Holodeck.
JESUS MACKEREL!!! That's insane!!! Madness! Crazy talk! Wacko speech!

First starbases now this.... look, I'm perfectly okay with Dil being a necessary currency. I'm perfectly okay with things being added that require it. It keeps zen flowing into the game and gives us stuff worth working toward. But for goodness sake! Make it fun getting there!!!
http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o633/centersolace/189cux9khvl6ojpg_zpsca7ccff0.jpg

So inhumane superweapons, mass murder, and canon nonsense is okay, but speedos are too much for some people.
Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 321
# 258
10-31-2012, 05:47 PM
Wow!!! They have lost their minds!!!
Rihannsu
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# 259
10-31-2012, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by centersolace View Post
JESUS MACKEREL!!! That's insane!!! Madness! Crazy talk! Wacko speech!

First starbases now this.... look, I'm perfectly okay with Dil being a necessary currency. I'm perfectly okay with things being added that require it. It keeps zen flowing into the game and gives us stuff worth working toward. But for goodness sake! Make it fun getting there!!!
He's exaggerating.

It's 30 common engineering or Operations. It's not a specific specialty. Here's the full list(subject to change, like everything else on Tribble).

60 Romulan Marks, 10k Dil, 30 eng or ops Doffs, 10k expertise, 1 peregrine fighter, 5 warp coils.

The security escorts are actually pretty cheap.

10 rom marks, 1250 dil, 1500 expertise, 5 common security or tactical doffs, 2 large power cell, 1 common personal shield Mk 5.
HAIL HYDRA!

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Last edited by markhawkman; 10-31-2012 at 07:35 PM.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 11,077
# 260
10-31-2012, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by markhawkman View Post
He's exaggerating.

It's 30 common engineering or Operations. It's not a specific specialty. Here's the full list(subject to change, like everything else on Tribble).

60 Romulan Marks, 10k Dil, 30 eng or ops Doffs, 10k expertise, 1 peregrine fighter, 5 warp coils.

The security escorts are actually pretty cheap.

10 rom marks, 1250 dil, 1500 expertise, 5 common security or tactical doffs, 2 large power cell, 1 common personal shield Mk 5.
What part of Free Doffs are no longer free do you not understand?
http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o633/centersolace/189cux9khvl6ojpg_zpsca7ccff0.jpg

So inhumane superweapons, mass murder, and canon nonsense is okay, but speedos are too much for some people.
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