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Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 97
# 51
10-20-2012, 05:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by l3dz3p85 View Post
I agree, but none of that has anything to do with what I said. Having someone you answer to and refusing ALL feedback on a given issue are 2 completely different things.
The issue here is the the OP is being a sensationalist, and nobody is double-checking his facts. I posted this to another thread, figured I should share the info here as well:

I found a transcript of his TTS talk over on the STO subreddit. Here's the only line where he's adamant about "the way things are":

Quote:
<Dev> BorticusCryptic@BorticusCryptic: We're not granting -any- free rep, ever. If (great big IF) we decide that Accolades are meant to grant you progression, it will be in the form of Omega Marks.
Within that statement, there is still room for discussion in the form of additional conversion for Accolades. And if there's room for discussion there, then they're probably also willing to hear feedback on other topics as well. The only thing Cryptic doesn't appear to be budging on, is "Free Reputation XP" via conversion.

Folks need to slow down and check your sources. You can read the rest of the transcript yourself at the above link, if you think I missed something where it was implied that he was "refusing ALL feedback."

Breathe. Check your sources. Don't buy into ranty-pants sensationalists unless they cite theirs.
Lieutenant
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 69
# 52
10-20-2012, 05:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pantsmaster916 View Post
You can read the rest of the transcript yourself at the above link, if you think I missed something where it was implied that he was "refusing ALL feedback."
The OP specifically said:


Quote:
Originally Posted by stoleviathan99 View Post
He reiterated that there is no room for feedback on this point,
Saying there is "no room for feedback" means the same thing as refusing all feedback. However if Borticus did not actually say that then the OP lied and should be called out on it.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 961
# 53
10-20-2012, 05:41 PM
Link: Priority One Away Mission 1: Cryptic Studios

Omega Marks conversion reveal starts at time stamp: 26:20
(Watch the interview from this starting point to the end.)

What we can hope for is an in-depth article, so that people can decide between staying and going.

Last edited by linyive; 10-20-2012 at 05:53 PM.
Lieutenant
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# 54
10-20-2012, 05:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by linyive View Post
What we can hope for is an in-depth article, so that people can decide between staying and going.
They've been saying a dev blog will be posted soon. Been mentioned a few times in Tribble threads.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 688
# 55
10-20-2012, 06:28 PM
The Reputation system is great! If you're a new player. You know, the only kind Cryptic cares about now. If you're a new player, you won't ever have to deal with the total randomness of the past system, the almost-but-never-quite-there of completing sets. You're regularly encouraged with a nice new passive, and you're none the wiser about the way non-special reserve tech has now been gated.

But if you've run the STFs ragged, and still are trying to get that elusive last component of the mk XII set you're hoping to complete, you are about to enter a world of pain. Cause while now maybe you have that faint glimmer of hope (maybe this time, finally), next you'll find yourself at the bottom of a wall, and after all the effort you sank into this, you will have to do it all over again, cause until you hit the proper tier, you simply CANNOT complete your set. No hope. At all. And you have to start right over in the kiddy pool with all the rest of us.

It looks more and more like those who said "buy what you can now" are going to be proven right. Cause it's not just the MACO, Omega and Honor Guard gear. Come the reputation system, standard issue borg tech, as sold on DS9 now, is going to be locked by tiers and you're not going to be able to get all the mk XII weapons again for a long time. With your leftover tokens and whatnot converted to Omega Marks, you're not there yet. The Omega reputation projects run for 40 hours at a time, and require dilithium and various other ingredients in addition to Omega marks to start.

Which is really one of the more amusingly bone-headed elements of this particular Cryptic brainspasm. The point is to get people playing the STFs, right? But with the exception of those who play STFs for the dilithium, few will. Sure, we'll all try Into The Hive a few times. We've been waiting for it for two years, afterall. But once the novelty subsides, those who are now sitting on a massive pile of Omega Marks-to-be won't have a reason to play. It may take some of us months to burn through our built-up supply. Now if common sense prevailed at Cryptic studios, they would see that if they just translated the accumulated tokens not into a pile of marks, but into completed progress (X reputation for every EDC, Y for every Rare salvage/tech, Z for Prototypes, maybe something for accolades with a hard cap for the most prolific EDC hoarders at, for example, T 2.9, 90% through tier 2 ) the first thing people would need in season 7 is more marks to continue their progress in the new system. Whereas the current notion of giving us just the marks literally turns STF progression, at least initially, into the Waiting Game. We don't need new marks. We just put some in the machine, hit go, and twiddle our thumbs for 40 hours.

But no, they have the insane idea that that would be doing our work for us. That that would be giving us things we didn't already have access to. And they manage to make themselves think this while they take everything, right down to the standard issue tech, that we could get at for no additional dilithium cost after just one lucky STF, and convince themselves all this didn't exist before and it's a new great thing for us to earn the privilege to buy.

Would it really kill you, guys, to once, just once, think your random ideas through? You know, ahead of time? Before it either blows up in your face, or peters out soundlessly? So you don't have to spend the next two years having to explain to content starved players that you're pushing one project aside after another cause you need the time and manpower to fix a new batch of old mistakes?

Cause that'd be just great.
Reave

Last edited by hrisvalar; 10-20-2012 at 06:46 PM.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,209
# 56
10-20-2012, 06:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hrisvalar View Post
But if you've run the STFs ragged, and still are trying to get that elusive last component of the mk XII set you're hoping to complete, you are about to enter a world of pain. Cause while now maybe you have that faint glimmer of hope (maybe this time, finally), next you'll find yourself at the bottom of a wall,
Aaaand if you happen to have oh I dunno , 15 toons , that wall starts to look more like the Great Wall of PWE .

Huzzah ?

+1 for the whole post btw .
Captain
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 1,805
# 57
10-20-2012, 06:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hrisvalar View Post
The Reputation system is great! If you're a new player. You know, the only kind Cryptic cares about now. If you're a new player, you won't ever have to deal with the total randomness of the past system, the almost-but-never-quite-there of completing sets. You're regularly encouraged with a nice new passive, and you're none the wiser about the way non-special reserve tech has now been gated.

But if you've run the STFs ragged, and still are trying to get that elusive last component of the mk XII set you're hoping to complete, you are about to enter a world of pain. Cause while now maybe you have that faint glimmer of hope (maybe this time, finally), next you'll find yourself at the bottom of a wall, and after all the effort you sank into this, you will have to do it all over again, cause until you hit the proper tier, you simply CANNOT complete your set. No hope. At all. And you have to start right over in the kiddy pool with all the rest of us.

It looks more and more like those who said "buy what you can now" are going to be proven right. Cause it's not just the MACO, Omega and Honor Guard gear. Come the reputation system, standard issue borg tech, as sold on DS9 now, is going to be locked by tiers and you're not going to be able to get all the mk XII weapons again for a long time. With your leftover tokens and whatnot converted to Omega Marks, you're not there yet. The Omega reputation projects run for 40 hours at a time, and require dilithium and various other ingredients in addition to Omega marks to start.

Which is really one of the more amusingly bone-headed elements of this particular Cryptic brainspasm. The point is to get people playing the STFs, right? But with the exception of those who play STFs for the dilithium, few will. Sure, we'll all try Into The Hive a few times. We've been waiting for it for two years, afterall. But once the novelty subsides, those who are now sitting on a massive pile of Omega Marks-to-be won't have a reason to play. It may take some of us months to burn through our built-up supply. Now if common sense prevailed at Cryptic studios, they would see that if they just translated the accumulated tokens not into a pile of marks, but into completed progress (X reputation for every EDC, Y for every Rare salvage/tech, Z for Prototypes, maybe something for accolades with a hard cap for the most prolific EDC hoarders at, for example, T 2.9, 90% through tier 2 ) the first thing people would need in season 7 is more marks to continue their progress in the new system. Whereas the current notion of giving us just the marks literally turns STF progression, at least initially, into the Waiting Game. We don't need new marks. We just put some in the machine, hit go, and twiddle our thumbs for 40 hours.

But no, they have the insane idea that that would be doing our work for us. That that would be giving us things we didn't already have access to. And they manage to make themselves think this while they take everything, right down to the standard issue tech, that we could get at for no additional dilithium cost after just one lucky STF, and convince themselves all this didn't exist before and it's a new great thing for us to earn the privilege to buy.

Would it really kill you, guys, to once, just once, think your random ideas through? You know, ahead of time? Before it either blows up in your face, or peters out soundlessly? So you don't have to spend the next two years having to explain to content starved players that you're pushing one project aside after another cause you need the time and manpower to fix a new batch of old mistakes?

Cause that'd be just great.
QFT

/10char
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Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 113
# 58
11-04-2012, 10:56 AM
This whole "non negotiable" crap is the same thing Cryptic has done to the player base for years now.

Just look back since closed Beta and you will see the same trend, ask for feed back( Looks good to the new players) and then ignore it completely. To even say something like that to a player just goes to show he doesn't belong even working for Cryptic, or any game company in a paid position.

When Bort was just plain old Jeremy, he would have been in a uproar over such a statement, not to mention the fact he would have shouted it as loud as he could on his old podcast.

The only way to get it across to Cryptic that they need to listen to the mostly well thought out feedback they do get, is STOP buying ZEN, then and only then will they listen.

But hey, what do i know, i am still waiting for the old, original skill tree to return. The on that promised you could do and be anything, as long as you put in the effort, not this premade class craptastic one, that makes you spend points in crap you dont want.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,241
# 59
11-04-2012, 11:36 AM
Devs should simply NOT grandfather the equipment sets but rather turn them into reputation points.


This would recognize the time they spent grinding to get the gear by giving equivalent grind-cutting time in this new system.


No double dipping on either the dev side or player side. All players 'start anew' in equipment.

Perhaps mk12 owners will not get to the mk12 gear tier to get back their stuff but they will get enough reputation to get the mk11 along with access to all the new nifty stuff that comes in those tiers.
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Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,154
# 60
11-04-2012, 04:41 PM
hmmm , i have done tons of STF's on 5-6 characters, all of these have now multiple MK XI KHG, MACO and OMEGA sets (every char 2 of them, or at least one)

every one of these chars has only ONE PIECE of mk XII tech, through all the existence of the game.
my main has 2x MK XII shield tech, but that's it.

i believe i am not the only one with a very bad luck, and therefore would like to ask -

WOULD IT NOT BE LOGICAL and FAIR to reward us with new marks NOT trading the remaining borg chips and tokens, but for times /played?

Like:
- CSE - 45x - 90 tokens ... and so on..

plus consider the accolades.. ?

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Last edited by duaths1; 11-04-2012 at 04:52 PM.
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