Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,400
# 61
10-20-2012, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by nynik View Post
keeping dilithium relevant to what people are doing is that only basis for funding this game.

You mean except for that crazy idea like a virtual store where you can buy virtual goods right?


The rage you are seeing is that people are now being asked to pay, by current dilithium prices, around $18.75 for 8 borg weapons and a full STF space set. (roughly 300k dil / 160 dil per zen price).

For one character.


Since we seem to be losing sources of dilithium, and having more dilithium taxes applied to the game - I think it will make dilithium vs. zen even stronger than it is now.

Raising the price of gearing one character accordingly.



There is a point where attaching a dilithium tax to everything endgame is going to backfire imo, and while we may not be there yet - it's starting to feel like we are getting close.

Ensign
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 29
# 62
10-20-2012, 08:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ussultimatum View Post
You mean except for that crazy idea like a virtual store where you can buy virtual goods right?


The rage you are seeing is that people are now being asked to pay, by current dilithium prices, around $18.75 for 8 borg weapons and a full STF space set. (roughly 300k dil / 160 dil per zen price).

For one character.


Since we seem to be losing sources of dilithium, and having more dilithium taxes applied to the game - I think it will make dilithium vs. zen even stronger than it is now.

Raising the price of gearing one character accordingly.



There is a point where attaching a dilithium tax to everything endgame is going to backfire imo, and while we may not be there yet - it's starting to feel like we are getting close.
what I think is even worse about this is that fine, you wanna make it real hard for people who pay nothing to play this game. fine. I get that. But what about the people who do pay? Why should those people get totally shafted.
Lieutenant
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 68
# 63
10-20-2012, 08:29 AM
If 15 elite runs in S7 is enough Omega marks for a full set that is WAY too low, agreed.
Survivor of Remus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 318
# 64
10-20-2012, 08:53 AM
Enforcing their time and currency sinks (to make us spend more time/money on the game) is far more important to whoever's in charge than any feedback from us players.

It's been my experience that they don't really take our feedback into account and just do what they want anyways. If every single player of the game came and said the new system was terrible, I still wouldn't hold my breath.

What this system does is put everyone back at zero. Either you're not part of the system at all (you already have all the gear) or you have to start from square one just to get back where you were.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 334
# 65
10-20-2012, 08:56 AM
Trying to put aside the fact that this whole idea upsets me, let me throw in the following idea:

MAKE THE REP STORE ACCOUNT WIDE

Because this is essentially what folks had asked for: to make mk xii stf sets easier to obtain.
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Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 277
# 66
10-20-2012, 09:03 AM
I really don't get it. What's so infuriating?

My point of view. I play since January. I have six characters. I played hundreds of STFs. Only this week two of my toons managed to complete both STF sets available for them. A third one needs just one shield tech. The next two need three pieces. One character hasn't earned any prototype techs yet. Now I'll just buy the rest. No problem at all.
Ensign
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 29
# 67
10-20-2012, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by jjumetley View Post
I really don't get it. What's so infuriating?

My point of view. I play since January. I have six characters. I played hundreds of STFs. Only this week two of my toons managed to complete both STF sets available for them. A third one needs just one shield tech. The next two need three pieces. One character hasn't earned any prototype techs yet. Now I'll just buy the rest. No problem at all.
you don't seem to get it. you'll have to grind each of your toons to get the resources to complete all the projects just to unlock the ability to buy them. Then grind resources (dil) to buy them.

You're looking at months of work.
Ensign
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 29
# 68
10-20-2012, 09:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by abcde123123 View Post
Trying to put aside the fact that this whole idea upsets me, let me throw in the following idea:

MAKE THE REP STORE ACCOUNT WIDE

Because this is essentially what folks had asked for: to make mk xii stf sets easier to obtain.
+1,

The rep should absolutely be account wide.
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 277
# 69
10-20-2012, 09:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by djnooob View Post
you don't seem to get it.
As I stated in the first sentence.
Quote:
you'll have to grind each of your toons to get the resources to complete all the projects just to unlock the ability to buy them. Then grind resources (dil) to buy them.

You're looking at months of work.
It's not a problem for me. At least the gear is guaranteed.
Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 245
# 70
10-20-2012, 09:50 AM
Comparing 100 STF pre and post is a very good idea to get the feeling and the math of this system.

I play 100 STFs before. I get showered with cool stuff, EDCs, occasionally rare salvage, if I am lucky, epic salvage. If I am super lucky the ultimate drop (epic set). In addition I get blue random equip from optionals, again with a chances the get additional EDC, salvage. And as bonus I even get dilithium I can spend on other parts of the game. Even better, the excess salvage can be converted into dilithium to even get more currency for other parts oif the game. In short playing STFs is awesome! It gives you advanced gear, the best gear and bonus dilithium for other parts of the game. Or even DOFFs. I like playing my daily STF or even 2 or 3. It feels rewarding.
Yes I might not get the super XII set drop, but I an not really out for it, for space I have it anyway.

Now the new system:
-----crickets----- You play the STF and there are 15 Omega marks. :-( ok. Well what can I do. Put them into a project that takes 2 days waiting time.... ---crickets---... ok what happens if I do that long enough? I can buy stuff with dilithium....

So instead of being an awesome rewarding STF that spills out rewards and spills out rewards into other parts of the game, we get a system that sucks in stuff! (dilithium, that I have to get by buying or grinding other things).

Just doesn't feel right.

What would make it feel better, is if I get Omega Marks with which I can buy or unlock things. You know like EDC already are! Add tiers and reputation to unlock, perfect.

The conversion to the new system as it is just feels like an excuse to suck in dilithium.

So much for the feel.

Now the math: (coming when we have the data)
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