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Was on second life the other day. And found out the fan base there for star trek is under attack buy CBS. CBS has no second life products to sell or use in SL. Nore is it represented in SL. Yet once again CBS has decided to attack its fan base once again. This has happen before. a Fan group in California that designed a bird of pray was sued buy CBS and forced to remove it. A contractor who did renovations and did a star trek theme decorating service was forced to shut down. Again CBS does not provide these services.

According to CBS even fan art is violations of there holy copy right. As a Star trek fan I enjoy the story and fun of star trek. But CBS is a huge turn off to the franchise. Copy right was not made for hole sale ownership of a idea or concept. the idea of expression dichotomy was clearly included in the law.

CBS need to learn not to hate the fans. THAT IS there money base. Expression dichotomy of the fan base in art, design, and including fan base stories.

Is is a true shame that CBS Greed And hate of the star trek fan base has reaches new levels. Even George Lucus leaves the fan base alone. Makes you wonder why there is a larger Star wars fan base then Star trek. maybe it's not fear of prosecution.

This is a rant I know. But some one has to tell CBS to stop killing off there fan base. There killing the golden goose out of greed. Support expression dichotomy in the copy right laws. Artistic freedom is at stake.

thanks for reading the rant.
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# 2
10-27-2012, 09:54 AM
CBS is unlikely to go after star trek fans unless they are making money from it, which i suspect they were.

if you make something star trek related and then try to turn a profit you are stealing someone else work and infringing on their copyrights and possibly even pretending that you are in some way affiliated with cbs. lucas and his lawyers would do the same.

and of course the size of the fan base has nothing to do with this. no one decides to become, or stop being a fan of trek because of this. you are either a fan or you are not.

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# 3
10-27-2012, 10:49 AM
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a Fan group in California that designed a bird of pray was sued buy CBS and forced to remove it.
Considering the large number of ship designs in the web I suspect they did more that just designed a Bird-of-Prey.

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A contractor who did renovations and did a star trek theme decorating service was forced to shut down. Again CBS does not provide these services.
Are you kidding me? Cannot you not see were that is blatant violation of trademark?

You cannot use the name of Star Trek without permission, this is especially true in the US were trademark is a bit more complicated that in the rest of the world.
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# 4
10-27-2012, 11:01 AM
What everyone said so far is true. But the point being not even lucus arts go after there fans as hard as CBS does. There a guy who did a star wars theme building based on tatoinee. assuming I spelled it right. And lucus arts celebrates it. CBS would have condemned it.

This isn't about the law. It's about CBS lack of accommodation for there fan base.
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# 5
10-27-2012, 11:07 AM
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There a guy who did a star wars theme building based on tatoinee. assuming I spelled it right. And lucus arts celebrates it. CBS would have condemned it.
Amusing enough ....

http://www.1up.com/news/dig-digg-luc...demark-dispute

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/foru...yright-Lawsuit

I could go on ... (actually the one I do remember but did not show up in the searches was about a parody)

Edit for the going on:

http://motherboard.vice.com/2011/5/1...yright-battles

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# 6
10-27-2012, 11:18 AM
thank you thats super informative.

Well I was wrong. thank you for that information. Guess we are all doomed.

the last site is awesome. keeping that one. seems there are liked minded people. right or wrong is nice to know.

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# 7
10-27-2012, 11:58 AM
Like George was gonna win against the government?
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# 8
10-27-2012, 12:05 PM
The OP clearly doesn't understand copyright law...

If YOU ever made anything that had as much value as Trek, you wouldnt want people devaluing your intelectual property either.
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# 9
10-28-2012, 05:12 PM
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Is is a true shame that CBS Greed And hate of the star trek fan base has reaches new levels. Even George Lucus leaves the fan base alone. Makes you wonder why there is a larger Star wars fan base then Star trek. maybe it's not fear of prosecution.
um no. Trekkies are a bigger fan base. Warsies are just more loud-mouthed, fanatical, and narrow minded when it comes to what George Lucas has created. read/ They think THEY created SW as opposed to Lucas

But also, CBS attacks people that make fan art that ISN'T sold. Its quite sad really. Corporations do what corporations do.
The difference with Lucas is that he has a company that isn't under the same business umbrella.
Let me clarify, part of the definition of corporation is "... and may conduct business for either profit-seeking business or not for profit purposes."

I think CBS is afraid that somebody might legally create the latter. Plus they want totalitarian control of everything they 'own'. Their reactions can't be [all] legal.

But it is interesting to note one particular event: Remember the guy who created an entire apartment like the interior of a Star Trek starship??? If not, I can give a link privately to it.
Why didn't CBS go after him?
Also it is unfortunate what happened after. He got a divorce, and his wife won that apartment in the divorce, and i think she wanted to change it and rent it out. All that work and money down the toilet because of his stupid wife. But I digress.
EDIT: it would be pretty funny if CBS goes after HER if she's making money from renting it out. That would be some sweet justice.

I think it has to do with control, and fear of losing something. For example, like how one company owns the film rights to certain Marvel characters, and other film-makers can't even do mild cross-overs in other Marvel films. They can't even MENTION those other characters in different films of the same universe. This is not about legality. They [company] doesn't want someone else arresting control of certain things. Instead of taking advantage of that and understanding that they will get a bigger audience for ALL of those films, they become control freaks.


(Sorry if I was being redundant. I usually write as the thoughts come to me.)

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