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I submitted this ticket to cryptic, but would help if anyone else could also confirm.

Thanks for submitting your question. Use this reference number for follow up: #121024-000208

I am not receiving the +15 weapon power bonus on the fleet defiant. I believe this happened with the skill tree revamp as the power settings are the same on the regular defiant escort retrofit, but because I never flew any other ship, I thought it was part of the revamp.

Well, I recently got a mobius that has an innate +10 weapon power (-5 when compared to the defiant's). Both ships are considered tier 5 ships.

I have taken 2 screenshots 5 minutes apart.

1) The consoles are the same between the mobius and the defiant (as close as I can get them considering the differences).

2) I did not respec between the 2 screenshots (would be a waste of a respec just for this).

3) The defiant screenshot has a filename screenshot2.jpg and the mobius screenshot has a filename of screenshot1.jpg. Both are attached.

4) screenshot2 (defiant) shows 80 power in weapons. With bonuses, it comes out to 113

5) screenshot1 (mobius) shows 80 power in weapons. With bonuses, it comes out to 123.

6) Again, remember that I have not respecced. I have 2 efficient boffs, 6 points in warp core efficiency, 9 points in warp core potential and 6 in starship weapon performance ( the only skills that would effect weapons power). This config exists in both ships.

Given the information above, please explain the discrepancy of the weapons power between both ships.
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# 2
10-24-2012, 07:06 AM
I can confirm this as well, not sure about the retrofit for sure but I do know it is the case on the fleet version
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# 3
10-24-2012, 07:08 AM
I only got the fleet defiant in the last month or so after having flown the regular defiant escort retrofit since it came out. I can confirm the power levels did not change after upgrading to the fleet defiant.

When I got the mobius, I was like WOW.. look at all this power, which then made me question the defiant weapons power levels.
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Last edited by tfomega; 10-24-2012 at 07:12 AM.
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# 4
10-24-2012, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by tfomega View Post
I only got the fleet defiant in the last month or so after having flown the regular defiant escort retrofit since it came out. I can confirm the power levels did not change after upgrading to the fleet defiant.

When I got the mobius, I was like WOW.. look at all this power, which then made me question the defiant weapons power levels.

I am in the exact same boat...

I have only ever used one toon and only ever flown the Defiant, gah it has been forever!!! but long story short I got a Mobius and flew that around a bit and then when my fleet got the 3rd Tier done and I got my Fleet Def I noticed my power levels in weapons were just not right..

Mobius 125/85 (anything less and I drop to 120)
Fleet Defiant 125/95 (anything less and I drop to 120)
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# 5
10-24-2012, 07:32 AM
yup.. we've been flying a handicapped ship all this time lol

updated the ticket:

Quote:
confirmed via another individual

http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/sh...61#post6237861
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# 6
10-25-2012, 01:31 PM
Asked my fleet to help test this, going to be sending in another help ticket today on it, but am not holding my breathe
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# 7
10-25-2012, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by liquidraven26 View Post
Asked my fleet to help test this, going to be sending in another help ticket today on it, but am not holding my breathe

so you were able to confirm it as well?
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# 8
10-26-2012, 06:10 AM
Mobius 125/85 (anything less and I drop to 120)
Fleet Defiant 125/95 (anything less and I drop to 120)

Well if it was right my Fleet Defiant should be at 125/80....but it is not
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# 9
10-26-2012, 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by tfomega View Post
4) screenshot2 (defiant) shows 80 power in weapons. With bonuses, it comes out to 113

5) screenshot1 (mobius) shows 80 power in weapons. With bonuses, it comes out to 123.

6) Again, remember that I have not respecced. I have 2 efficient boffs, 6 points in warp core efficiency, 9 points in warp core potential and 6 in starship weapon performance ( the only skills that would effect weapons power). This config exists in both ships.

Given the information above, please explain the discrepancy of the weapons power between both ships.
#4 is what I'd expect to see.

The ship and skills you quoted should work out to a gain of ~33.36 over your base weapon power setting (80+33.86=113.36 total). That 33.36 includes +15 from the ship's inate bonus, +5 from the Borg Console, +8.41 from Weapons Performance, and +4.95 from Warp Core Potential. Your Efficiency Skill and Efficient BOFFs won't come into it because the power setting is over 75.

You can check all this with the Power Calc spreadsheet

Basically, it looks like your Defiant build is the correct value and the Mobius is granting too much. Far too much. A full +25 in fact, compared to the +10 suggested from the blog post (assuming an identical equipment loadout to your defiant...)

[EDIT] Actually, I can kind of guess what's happened here... they've created the Mobius and added a unique +10 Weapons and +5 Aux power bonus (as per the blog) but forgotten to remove the "standard" +15 weapons power bonus that most other Federation escorts get. [/EDIT]

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Last edited by maelwy5; 10-26-2012 at 08:17 AM.
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# 10
10-26-2012, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by maelwy5 View Post
#4 is what I'd expect to see.

The ship and skills you quoted should work out to a gain of ~33.36 over your base weapon power setting (80+33.86=113.36 total). That 33.36 includes +15 from the ship's inate bonus, +5 from the Borg Console, +8.41 from Weapons Performance, and +4.95 from Warp Core Potential. Your Efficiency Skill and Efficient BOFFs won't come into it because the power setting is over 75.

You can check all this with the Power Calc spreadsheet

Basically, it looks like your Defiant build is the correct value and the Mobius is granting too much. Far too much. A full +25 in fact, compared to the +10 suggested from the blog post (assuming an identical equipment loadout to your defiant...)

[EDIT] Actually, I can kind of guess what's happened here... they've created the Mobius and added a unique +10 Weapons and +5 Aux power bonus (as per the blog) but forgotten to remove the "standard" +15 weapons power bonus that most other Federation escorts get. [/EDIT]
Hmm wonder if every single ship (lockbox or otherwise) suffers from this no matter if they are escorts or not.. (bug, galor, marauder, mirror ships, etc...)

If cryptic assigns a plus power attribute (in any subsystem) within the code of the actual ship, then perhaps that attribute is being compounded or added to the global value for the ship class as well.

The galor gets a +10 weapons and +10 shields, but because it is considered a cruiser class (look at that 1.3 shield modifier!!!!) it should also get +5 in all subsystems as well for a total of +15 weapons and +15 shields

The bug has a +15 weapons, so I wonder if it is actually getting another +15 in weapons because it is an escort class for a total of +30 weapons power

This is my first lockbox ship, so I can't test on any of the others to confirm.... but man!!! this would explain so much!

If it is true, perhaps cryptic is intending it to be this way to make all of the lockbox ships more desirable and to sell more lockbox keys. Maybe this is "working as designed" because in addition to the ship class, the plus power modifier is an extra bonus because of all the money you spent (virtual or RL) on keys.
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Last edited by tfomega; 10-26-2012 at 01:26 PM.
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