Lt. Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 251
10-24-2012, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
A few more comments to address concerns

- Once we have the final conversion numbers established, we will be updating TRIBBLE with the conversion script so that any character can log in individually and see the amount of Omega Marks, Borg Neural Processors, and Dilithium they will be receiving. This way you'll see exactly what each character will get and you can decide to cash out for Dilithium or not before Season 7.
Ok we will be able to see the amount we will get when the change hits holodeck, but will you release the price requirements or just keep them secret? And say to everyone; well we kept our promise and showed you what you get in the conversion, but you will not know the prices of the items and have to work for 2 months to get to T5 only to find out you have to grind away for another month just to get your gear.

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Cryptic Studios Team
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# 252
10-24-2012, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by linyive View Post
This is what people are mad about...

Other words, you have to spend more time and money to get what you originally earned.

Everything else about the system is fine.
The reason we are posting all of this information now is so that players can make a choice if they want to cash out now or save it for the new system.

In essence the old way of STFs are going away in early November when we remove those stores and item drops and start dropping Omega Marks and Borg Neural Processors.

It is fair warning that since those stores are going away, you have the opportunity to cash it all out for Dilithium or Gear now. Once the conversion code is in place, you can even log into Tribble and see how many Omega Marks and Borg Neural Processors and Dilithiium you'll get if you don't so that you are well informed before you make that decision.

But yes, there is a new system coming. It uses Omega Marks to level up a Reputation system (so does Romulan Marks). When you level up that system, you earn new Captain powers and abilities. These new rewards are intended for all max level Captains as an alternate form of skill progression much like specialization in other games.

In addition, at different tiers, the gear that was previously sold in STF stores can be unlocked and obtained with the new Omega Marks.

It is true that if you don't spend your existing currencies before Season 7, you will not be able to buy the same gear until you level up the Omega Reputation. But you don't have to wait for that. You can spend it right now on Holodeck.

If you choose to wait and not spend it, then we will convert it in our best attempt to be fair and equitable to give you similar purchasing power in the new system, but only after you have obtained the proper rank.

We've calculated that if you are one of the people running Elite STFs trying to get that last piece of gear you want for a set, you are statistically more likely get the gear sooner by doing the new Reputation system (60-90 days) than you are of getting it as a random drop in that same amount of time.

Our goal is to make running STFs more meaningful by giving your captain a set progression with clear progress towards goals and rewards instead of a random assortment of rare drops.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 253
10-24-2012, 04:31 PM
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Any items converted this way will go into a storage device which cannot be retrieved until the character reaches Tier 5 in the Task Force Omega Reputation System.
If you gave people the conversion cost on day one, the rest of the system will be perfectly fine. Until this part of the plan is removed, I will remain 100% against the Reputation system.
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Join Date: Oct 2012
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# 254
10-24-2012, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by gespensterjaeger View Post
that is horrible.

so every time i get free time lets say 8 hours i grind i cannot get a mk XII that i do now ?

thats is just horrible.

still need to wait 60 days!

Unlikely on the waiting 60 days. The projects will have some absolute minimum time to do them all in sequence, early on you will likely be gated by the time it takes for the mission to happen (currently they first missions are something like 40 hour things were you allocate resources and then wait...). I suspect later you will be gated by how quickly you can get the resources to put in, so if you 'grind' a lot you'll be able to do them all as soon as they're available, rather than someone casual who will need time to get the required resources.
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# 255
10-24-2012, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by gespensterjaeger View Post
it is still random mate.

when dilithium is added into the calculations it is random. since you need to REFINE it.

and you can only refine 8.000 per day.

wich means if u forget 1 day you are set back 24 hours....

and also you need marks. wich no one knows the drop rate of. wich also can be random.

sry man but you cannot defend cryptic for doing something and not telling us the 100% truth of it.
You are a life timer... so you'd have to forget for like 7 days straight... it gets auto-refined for you...

The amount of marks dropped for completing an STF is not random

NEXT!
1hr of work @NYS Min Wage 7.25 = 725 Zen
725 x 102 (or current exchange rate) DL = 73950 DL <- can you earn that per hour in game?

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Career Officer
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 256
10-24-2012, 04:31 PM
Bort (i think) mentioned earlier that they are going to be coming back but will not be live with S7
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# 257
10-24-2012, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by josephkerr View Post
Huzzah, I'm not alone!

Now, it wouldn't be so bad if DL was ACTUALLY the time based currency Cryptic said it would be but it couldn't be further from it and as such, it is a problem.
Yeah, not time based in reality, unfortunately. Since there is a refinement cap, Cryptic should be able to not care at all HOW people earn the dilithium.

In fact, if every bit of content awarded dilithium based on average completion time with maybe a bonus of excellence like the double dilithium in the fleet actions, this would really segregate the good content from the bad and what people like to play...

i have a feeling mission content would be very high on the charts...
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# 258
10-24-2012, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ltsmith View Post
Ok we will be able to see the amount we will get when the change hits holodeck, but will you release the price requirements or just keep them secret? And say to everyone; well we kept our promise and showed you what you get in the conversion, but you will not know the prices of the items and have to work for 2 months to get to T5 only to find out you have to grind away for another month just to get your gear.
We will make sure that you can see the price structure as well as your conversion so that you can decide how best to proceed - either spend now on Holodeck in the old system, or wait for the new.

One of our primary goals is to take a confusing and messy system, simplify it, add better rewards, and make it clearer how to progress. We believe this new system does that.

We are also acknowledging that this is another big currency conversion and so unlike the previous Dilithium conversion, we are attempting to provide more information earlier so that players are more informed about what is happening and can have some options before the change hits.
Career Officer
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 107
# 259
10-24-2012, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by phantomeight View Post
You are a life timer... so you'd have to forget for like 7 days straight... it gets auto-refined for you...

The amount of marks dropped for completing an STF is not random

NEXT!
Almost, you have to grind the ore in the first place.

I suspect 3 1 hr session per week is only true if you open your wallet and get your DL on the echange so...
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# 260
10-24-2012, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
Until the final numbers are implemented, I don't have this specific data point. We do plan on implementing this on Tribble soon so that you can log in and see the exact conversion your character received.
Well, at least the last part is true. (I'm assuming. Tribble server hampster's health willing.) I'm not a hundred percent on the first. I got the picture back, you see. It's kind of tiny, and hard to read, but it looks like it's selling mk XI weapons for ca. 8,000-odd dilithium a piece on that Klingon Omega Force reputation store project screen thing. So, even apart from any and all grinding we have to do to even be eligable to buy these items, we'd now be paying the dilithium equivalent of 8 Rare Salvage for what used to cost 2 Rare Salvage.

Now that may be a preliminary number, and I wish I could believe it, but an effective 300% pricehike is not a margin I imagine you're going to just fine-tune away, or fail to notice for that matter, without trying really, really hard.
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