Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 967
# 411
10-24-2012, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
- Normal STFs now reward 240 Dilithium + Omega Marks
- Elite STFs now reward 480 Dilithium + Omega Marks + Borg Commodity for MKXII Sets
- Fleet Actions now reward 960 Dilithium (1st place Gold gets 2x this = 1920 Dilithium)
So... You nerfed the dilithium rewards for the stfs by 50%, but you didn't lower the requirements for the starbases, embassies and reputation system?

Now, we have to work 100 times more to complete all of the projects?

Are you guys on drugs?

You didn't save us 60% of the effort required to obtain these items, you added another... what... 140%+?

Last edited by linyive; 10-24-2012 at 05:50 PM.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 989
# 412
10-24-2012, 05:49 PM
I have not read through all 40 pages of posting. But I will go out a limb and say that a very large number of player having given the same feed back that I'm about to give.

So you are saying that all of the time that players have run STFs these past 1000+ days are going to locked away in a box. In order to gain access to the box you are going to have to jump through this series of hoops which are gated with yet more time and time/money.

I'm really just dumbfounded at this. I have not the words.

Edit: Ok now I know why....(highlighting is mine)

Quote:
Originally Posted by dastahl
- Due to the fact that some players have enough items being converted to max out the new system, we chose to withhold the conversion crate until the character hits tier 5 in Omega for a few reasons. We wanted player to have the choice at each tier how to spend their resources. We wanted players to be able to make choices about which captain power they want at each tier. We wanted to retain player's purchasing power by holding back the converted items until they can be spent on the Gear Sets. This prevents players from spending the resources they'd saved up for Omega Gear Sets on something else without realizing it.
Let me reprhase that last bit - "Players are too stupid to make intelligent choices so we have to save them from themselves." Now I just feel incredibly insulted.

Last edited by lordfuzun; 10-24-2012 at 05:58 PM.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 855
# 413
10-24-2012, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
Ok, just checked with the designers and here is what they've done for Season 7

- Normal STFs now reward 240 Dilithium + Omega Marks
- Elite STFs now reward 480 Dilithium + Omega Marks + Borg Commodity for MKXII Sets
- Fleet Actions now reward 960 Dilithium (1st place Gold gets 2x this = 1920 Dilithium)
You may be simplifying the acquisition of STF gear (behind a time-gated Reputation system), but you are effectively nerfing our Dilithium acquisition rate. What was wrong with the current 1100 Dil per Elite STF? And what is the NEW Dilithium count for Elite STFs during the Calendar STFs? Would help if you expanded those, to either be longer periods, or more STFs per week.

Season 7 thus far is adding;

More grind
More sinks
Less sources

Just because you add Dilithium to the Fleet Actions, won't make them magically attractive to players. Some of them are downright broken, or boring. Gekli Feeding Grounds says hello. Crystalline Entity still missing in action. Might wanna actually FIX these broken Fleet Actions, before adding the Dilithium?

Also, will STFs still reward "random drops", or is that being removed entirely?
Lieutenant
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 92
# 414
10-24-2012, 05:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
Ok, just checked with the designers and here is what they've done for Season 7

- Normal STFs now reward 240 Dilithium + Omega Marks
- Elite STFs now reward 480 Dilithium + Omega Marks + Borg Commodity for MKXII Sets
So not only is the plan to require us to spend more dil than ever before. By adding dil costs to purchase set items, and adding dil costs to the superfluous reputation system before we can even buy the items. But you're going to cut the dil rewards in half, and you're still trying to pass the whole thing off as a reduction in grinding?

Really, have you no shame?
Captain
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Posts: 900
# 415
10-24-2012, 05:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
Ok, just checked with the designers and here is what they've done for Season 7

- Normal STFs now reward 240 Dilithium + Omega Marks
- Elite STFs now reward 480 Dilithium + Omega Marks + Borg Commodity for MKXII Sets
- Fleet Actions now reward 960 Dilithium (1st place Gold gets 2x this = 1920 Dilithium)

In Season 7, Fleet Actions will now become the best source of Dilithium between the two types of Events.

In addition Fleet Actions will now have better rewards in general
Gold = Purple + 1920 Dilithium
Silver = Purple + 960 Dilithium
Bronze = Blue + 960 Dilithium
All others = Green + 960 Dilithium

In addition, at max level in the Omega Fleet a repetable project unlocks that converts Omega Marks to Dilithium at a rate of 50 marks to 500 dilithium or thereabouts.

The new Red Alert daily in the New Romulus Sector also rewards 480 Dilithium in addition to Rom marks.

All of this could change before Season 7 hits, but that is what the current plan is.
so when you play the normal stf's you get half the dilithium when compaired to season 6 in season 7 ? , how is this an improvement ?
Captain
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# 416
10-24-2012, 05:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
Ok, just checked with the designers and here is what they've done for Season 7

- Normal STFs now reward 240 Dilithium + Omega Marks
- Elite STFs now reward 480 Dilithium + Omega Marks + Borg Commodity for MKXII Sets
- Fleet Actions now reward 960 Dilithium (1st place Gold gets 2x this = 1920 Dilithium)

In Season 7, Fleet Actions will now become the best source of Dilithium between the two types of Events.

In addition Fleet Actions will now have better rewards in general
Gold = Purple + 1920 Dilithium
Silver = Purple + 960 Dilithium
Bronze = Blue + 960 Dilithium
All others = Green + 960 Dilithium

In addition, at max level in the Omega Fleet a repetable project unlocks that converts Omega Marks to Dilithium at a rate of 50 marks to 500 dilithium or thereabouts.

The new Red Alert daily in the New Romulus Sector also rewards 480 Dilithium in addition to Rom marks.

All of this could change before Season 7 hits, but that is what the current plan is.
Thank You Mr Stahl for finally responding and clearing that up. Many people may not realize that you have a job to do - they might not like it - but you are doing a good job of staying with the community tonight. I hope you keep it up in the future.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 855
# 417
10-24-2012, 05:53 PM
Pre-F2P:
Star Trek Online

Post-F2P:
Star Trek Online: The Grind Generation

Interestingly, Pre-F2P lasted 4 seasons (same length as ST: Enterprise, and that got cancelled)
Post-F2P, we are coming up on 7 seasons (all TNG-era shows ended after Season 7)
Survivor of Romulus
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 131
# 418
10-24-2012, 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by linyive View Post
So... You nerfed the dilithium rewards for the stfs, but you didn't lower the requirements for the starbases, embassies and reputation system?

Now, we have to work 100 times more to complete all of the projects?

Are you guys on drugs?
This is a good point, i have to ask are they trying to run this game down into the ground? Because they make the most absurd decisions.

Now DS9 will be dead again, they worked hard to get it as a central zone then they go and undo all the work.

Why didnt they just correct the loot drops etc, then give us more content, instead of months creating this senesless content they could have tweaked some numbers in a few minutes. Then say used the time on this new stuff to make interiors or inship travel etc.... they are a strange lot they really are.

STF's now buggered up really, only a few will ever get played (theres also one of the old style still there called a STF, see how weird they are)

FLEET ACTIONS finally and they could of added this reward 3yrs ago or something similiar *sigh*, had there chance to do something about them and they go and leave it as 1st place , 2nd place crap so everyone acts alone and like rambo, isnt it called Fleet Action for a reason?

GRIND, the last of the fun is drained out, sucked dry, everything is way over priced and the game is extremely expensive to play correctly, i miss the game when it was at least harmless fun.

Last edited by fewzz; 10-24-2012 at 05:58 PM.
Cryptic Studios Team
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# 419
10-24-2012, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by meurik View Post
And in regards to new Klingon content, are you (Mr Stahl), ready to commit to a FULL leveling progression for Klingons in Season 8 (PVE episodic content) ? Like lostusthorn before me said, 1 mission a year does not constitute enough content.
This is one of the personal goals I set for myself when returning to the project and something that I'm still working towards. Season 8 is intended to get the KDF closer to this goal if not completely there.

Despite what some may think of our efforts, STO is growing and constantly improving as is evidenced by the fact that we're now the #1 game for PW in North America and my staff is now twice the size going into Season 8 that it was a year ago.

The game continues to do well and while not everyone agrees with our decisions, the fact that we're still here and still releasing updates several times a year with new features and new missions is a testimony to our bright future.

The team continues to work really hard on improving this game, many of which are putting in 10-12 hours days right now trying to get all the missions and event in Season 7 ready.

The game industry in general has taken a huge beating over the last year, yet STO continues to do well so that should be an indicator that we're making the right decisions and moving forward in a direction that will ensure this game will be around for years to come.

Season 7 is going to be as good, if not better than Season 6, and our goal is that Season 8 will be the closest thing to a "boxed expansion" we've ever done. In order to do that, yes we're giving ourselves a little more time, but only because of the scope and manpower needed to do something of that scale. We do expect Season 8 to be out by May, but there will be other updates before then.

So while you may feel it necessary to voice your frustration and anger at me personally, this game is being driven by a large group of very talented and very committed designers who are all Trek fans. We want to see this game succeed because we love the game and have spent years of our lives on it.

We can take the heat and have done so since launch - by owning up to our metecritic score and continually improving. No one can say the game hasn't improved greatly in the last two years. It absolutely has and will continue to do so.

Season 7 is another of example of us taking something that wasn't well done in the first few months after launch and making it much better and closer to what it should have been. Not only that but it is just one small part of Season 7 in general. New Romulus is the name of Season 7 because that is really what it is all about.

The comments in this thread are what they are, but STO will continue on and will continue to succeed due to the love and dedication of the team and the support of the many many players that absolutely love what we've done with the game.
Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 420
10-24-2012, 05:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
Ok, just checked with the designers and here is what they've done for Season 7

- Normal STFs now reward 240 Dilithium + Omega Marks
- Elite STFs now reward 480 Dilithium + Omega Marks + Borg Commodity for MKXII Sets
- Fleet Actions now reward 960 Dilithium (1st place Gold gets 2x this = 1920 Dilithium)

In Season 7, Fleet Actions will now become the best source of Dilithium between the two types of Events.

In addition Fleet Actions will now have better rewards in general
Gold = Purple + 1920 Dilithium
Silver = Purple + 960 Dilithium
Bronze = Blue + 960 Dilithium
All others = Green + 960 Dilithium

In addition, at max level in the Omega Fleet a repetable project unlocks that converts Omega Marks to Dilithium at a rate of 50 marks to 500 dilithium or thereabouts.

The new Red Alert daily in the New Romulus Sector also rewards 480 Dilithium in addition to Rom marks.

All of this could change before Season 7 hits, but that is what the current plan is.
480 dilithium for 30 - 90 minutes of work in an elite STF? That's 17 runs a day to hit the cap or 392 elite STFs to have enough dilithium to max the reputation system and get a full Mk XII set. For those that don't have been trying to get a full set for months, that may be low, but I got a full Mk XII set on run 292. Adding more work with less rewards makes STFs much less appealing.

Last edited by majortiraomega; 10-24-2012 at 06:22 PM.
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