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# 51
10-25-2012, 02:47 AM
Actually there are a lot of 'scorts that can slot as much armor as your typical cruiser... I know the Fleet Saber can take four, same with the Patrol in all likelihood, the Jem is one where a lot of people stack armor since you already outturn everything anyway...

Fleet stuff hasn't been too kind to cruisers, I'm not sure that their armor advantage is any exception.

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# 52
10-25-2012, 02:51 AM
Ya 4 engi slots in multiple escorts... not like I can't put 3 neuts + a mono in my bug If I really felt I needed to.

Not seeing to much upside for cruisers on this one... I mean they have more hull to start with... but they also have less defense... one tractor beam and you can string crits on most cruisers pretty easily. That trick doesn't work on most PvPin escorts anymore.
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# 53
10-25-2012, 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by husanakx View Post
ya 4 Engi Slots In Multiple Escorts... Not Like I Can't Put 3 Neuts + A Mono In My Bug If I Really Felt I Needed To.

Not Seeing To Much Upside For Cruisers On This One... I Mean They Have More Hull To Start With... But They Also Have Less Defense... One Tractor Beam And You Can String Crits On Most Cruisers Pretty Easily. That Trick Doesn't Work On Most Pvpin Escorts Anymore.
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# 54
10-25-2012, 02:56 AM
Another reason I worry about this Kinetic Proc.. Is that 2.5% chance, same as all other procs, seems to go off WAY more then you'd expect. Why do you think that Phasers finally for the change they did? (And are still pretty annoying! >.<) Imagine being hit with Polaron Disruptors with the romulan set.. You'd have 4 different procs possible to fire off: Plasma Dot, Polaron Dot, Disruptor Debuff, and A chance to just make the shot Kinetic and straight to hull.
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# 55
10-25-2012, 04:56 AM
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But seriously. Can we get these also in different colors. I like rainbows
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# 56
10-25-2012, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by webdeath View Post
Another reason I worry about this Kinetic Proc.. Is that 2.5% chance, same as all other procs, seems to go off WAY more then you'd expect. Why do you think that Phasers finally for the change they did? (And are still pretty annoying! >.<) Imagine being hit with Polaron Disruptors with the romulan set.. You'd have 4 different procs possible to fire off: Plasma Dot, Polaron Dot, Disruptor Debuff, and A chance to just make the shot Kinetic and straight to hull.
I was just out having a smoke and thinking about this. 2.5% - pretty horrible odds; but in STO - it's not bad at all - not bad at all - lol. Heck, think about how often a 1% procs. They're giving mines/torps a 5% for the kinetic proc? Does 5% = 100% uptime?

And though much is being made of cannons - I'm still picturing the Spiral Waves and FAW.
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# 57
10-25-2012, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by sophlogimo View Post
The cruiser, critting his BO
even your BO argument works better if applied to escorts. The Escort can run 2 copies of BO3, +APO3/APB3 AND keep you in arc with a DBB. That's going to hit just as often as a beam array with BO1+2, but A LOT harder.

Add to that that the escort is a lot more difficult to actually hit with a BO (and we know they miss a lot...), as it has higher movement defence.

Really, a serious BO3-DBB hit with full tac buffs and APB3 can one-shot just about anyone if shields are ignored...

The only thing that could possibly make this proc ok, would be... If the kinetic beam does not copy it's damage from what the un-procced shot would be, but is calculated seperately. This would mean you don't get any damage bonus from tac consoles, and possibly not from skill specs either. In wich case this proc will be no more useful than DEM, and everything will be just fine.

I'm actually much more worried about the placate (wich is always a party pooper) and the shield heal. (yes... just what we need... more shield heals! /facepalm )
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# 58
10-25-2012, 06:00 AM
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Actually there are a lot of 'scorts that can slot as much armor as your typical cruiser... I know the Fleet Saber can take four, same with the Patrol in all likelihood
I can confirm that my Fleet Patrol has 4 engi slots. I ofc use them to boost my shield power by a total of 10! Now that's God-mode for ya!


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# 59
10-25-2012, 07:31 AM
In my most humble opinion, I still think they should have changed the sub consoles to work like a combination of the bio/field consoles.

Increased resistance to drains, disables, and improved recovery if they are drained/disabled.
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# 60
10-25-2012, 07:57 AM
So by the sounds of it I haven't missed much while playing my console games and waiting for EoN and C&C online. If anything the only thing I am missing is frustration.
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