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# 131
12-17-2012, 04:04 AM
okay, this is getting ridiculous...

I'm begining to think that people think that games are played and lived in vaccuums or something that these two enemies got together and drew clear cut lines in the sane and said "Ok, we can have this this and this and you guys can have this this and this, and we can share this but only on Sundays."

Give it a rest already. One, in war there is no such thing as one side having something to itself. YEs, you will have it in the beginning to yourself and it will surprise the enemy for all of what a few months before they build a bigger better badder version of it?

Don't both sides have Intelligence bureaus?

When Germany built jet fighters did the allies not cheat and steal their way to it?

When America built nuclear missiles did Russia not figure out how to make from Russia one with love?

When Wii started ruling the gaming world did Sony and Microsoft not make their own versions?

So stop saying what is exclusive to either side because in war their is no such thing. People figure out what works, what scares them, what does what and uses it. The moment Fed's secret service figures out how to mount DHC's on a cruiser or make a long range gun platform or how to make beams that have 360 degree arc's I'm sure the klinks side will also figure out how to make.... well.... steal the tech as well.

I'm not even sure if Klinks even build ships so much as steal, err, i mean commandeer a ship paint it red and say this is mine bitches!"

If it's not born in you and can be made then it can be replicated. Simple as that.

Last edited by lasonio; 12-17-2012 at 04:13 AM.
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# 132
12-17-2012, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by lasonio View Post
okay, this is getting ridiculous...

I'm begining to think that people think that games are played and lived in vaccuums or something that these two enemies got together and drew clear cut lines in the sane and said "Ok, we can have this this and this and you guys can have this this and this, and we can share this but only on Sundays."

Give it a rest already. One, in war there is no such thing as one side having something to itself. YEs, you will have it in the beginning to yourself and it will surprise the enemy for all of what a few months before they build a bigger better badder version of it?

Don't both sides have Intelligence bureaus?

When Germany built jet fighters did the allies not cheat and steal their way to it?

When America built nuclear missiles did Russia not figure out how to make from Russia one with love?

When Wii started ruling the gaming world did Sony and Microsoft not make their own versions?

So stop saying what is exclusive to either side because in war their is no such thing. People figure out what works, what scares them, what does what and uses it. The moment Fed's secret service figures out how to mount DHC's on a cruiser or make a long range gun platform or how to make beams that have 360 degree arc's I'm sure the fed side will also figure out how to make.... well.... steal the tech as well.

I'm not even sure if Klinks even build ships so much as steal, err, i mean commandeer a ship paint it red and say this is mine bitches!"

If it's not born in you and can be made then it can be replicated. Simple as that.
While I agree to a point, want to then explain why the faction who is more use to war and has it ingrained into their culture has LESS ships? and yes we have ship yards, we defend them enough they better be putting out ships.
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# 133
12-17-2012, 04:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lasonio View Post
okay, this is getting ridiculous...

I'm begining to think that people think that games are played and lived in vaccuums or something that these two enemies got together and drew clear cut lines in the sane and said "Ok, we can have this this and this and you guys can have this this and this, and we can share this but only on Sundays."

Give it a rest already. One, in war there is no such thing as one side having something to itself. YEs, you will have it in the beginning to yourself and it will surprise the enemy for all of what a few months before they build a bigger better badder version of it?

Don't both sides have Intelligence bureaus?

When Germany built jet fighters did the allies not cheat and steal their way to it?

When America built nuclear missiles did Russia not figure out how to make from Russia one with love?

When Wii started ruling the gaming world did Sony and Microsoft not make their own versions?

So stop saying what is exclusive to either side because in war their is no such thing. People figure out what works, what scares them, what does what and uses it. The moment Fed's secret service figures out how to mount DHC's on a cruiser or make a long range gun platform or how to make beams that have 360 degree arc's I'm sure the klinks side will also figure out how to make.... well.... steal the tech as well.

I'm not even sure if Klinks even build ships so much as steal, err, i mean commandeer a ship paint it red and say this is mine bitches!"

If it's not born in you and can be made then it can be replicated. Simple as that.
This is all well and good until you realize that this is a video game, and in many ways is a faction vs faction video game, and is a game where Faction A gets everything Faction B has, but Faction B doesn't get but a fraction of what Faction A has.

There needs to be some uniqueness, or they need to be 100% identical. One or the other. Most would prefer uniqueness. Problem is, KDF has neither uniqueness nor does it have the sheer content the Federation has.

And that's where the problem is.

If they're not going to get the sheer volume of content Feds get, let them stay unique in some aspects. Otherwise, there's absolutely no point to playing them.
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# 134
12-17-2012, 04:48 AM
I don't really know quite honestly why the FED side has so many ships, I think it may be to ensure that the fed side actually has players or something or maybe they are feeding the hardcore fans out their ships that aren't any good so that the klinks don't call foul, I think most klinks don't mind when they see a new fed ship because they know deep down in their hearts that it's just for publicity and it's just a show horse with nothing under the hood They are like "Oh I see you got a shinny new toy, ooooh it's a cruiser, my how pretty, ooooh look at that it has beams on it, shoot it, ooooh look how pretty she is, congrats you must be so proud of her." While thinking 'Ha what a hunk of junk, i wouldn't commandeer that crap if you payed me.' but admittedly no matter how many ships one side has if 93% of them are ineffective it doesn't really matter does it?

Heck I don't trust the FED higher ups anyhow so i don't know where all these ships are coming from... they need to go back if you ask me and if i could be a neutral captain i would be neither fed nor klink but somewhere in the middle. I mean Klinks are underhanded and they let you know, it's in your face like bam so you have to respect it, but fed's they are really underhanded but they hide it behind a veneer smile like they are slowly conquering the universe with lies or something... like they are that grey emperor dude from star wars or something I'm just waiting for one to say "Use the dark side of the phaser young ensign and you will truly know greatness..."

But back to the topic

As a FED only player (Can't get over the head thing in the klinks it just bugs me.... i'd be like amazed at it like when you get a really strange bruise or a pimple or something... maybe i'm a forheadist....) I will only use 3-4 ships max on that side since after strenuous studying and arduously painstakingly making decisions i just could not make any effective builds with more then 4 ships and 2 of which are brand spanking new and 1 is a fleet version of the original ship so I'm at a lose as to how that works.

I don't care what anyone says, klinks got fed's by the short and curly's when it comes to what really matters. They have the ships, they have the contraband, they have the money and they have the will to use all these things to their advantage. I would gladly give 25% of our ships to Klink, no sweeten the pot and make it 45% of our ships in a crazy ferengi trade for the same level of contraband alone. Klinks trip over 400+ cases of contraband on the way to the bathroom alone when i can't find 10 in a day. I will then throw in another 10 no 15% if you give me a cruiser that i won't laugh at when the Fed scientist roll it out and say Here Captain Horatio, here's your new ship. My first response is, can i see her consoles, Oh, i see. I laugh only to keep from crying myself to sleep. I don't want DHCs or turn rate because a ship with 1K+ people should not be fish tailing off the walls. Give me one that can have 2 BeFAW's 3 and 1 Omega and I will be just fine.

I don't really care much for carriers. I use befaw so a carrier on a battlefield to me is just a minor annoyance.

I don't really care if both sides are equal at all, i think both sides should be different but not when it comes to creatable weapons since all things can be rebuilt. It's just not feasible or realistic to the series to assume one side will have something forever as if it's an unwritten rule, maybe it is, not a big star trek fan but i do know a thing or two about war and if it's war then anything goes. I mean that is what we are talking about right? Being realistic to the series or are we talking something else here? I'm sure if we can adapt to the Borg then I am sure we can adapt to each other. I've already gotten all the pvp accolades for killing both feds and klinks so that's not a problem I just hope at some point we can put a rest to this kind of talk and it does not always degrade into a pointing and shoving match over who has what and when. In the end it doesn't matter, a ship is just one phase of the answer, it will come down to the captain and their knowledge and skill and if you have talent then the ship doesn't matter... unless you need a crutch then i completely understand, just don't call yourself great if that's the case say my ship is great. If you beat me in my ship then well i guess i have alot more work to do and that is fine, I have no interest in getting bored with something and when i become the best i ditch the game.
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# 135
12-17-2012, 04:53 AM
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Give me one that can have 2 BeFAW's 3 and 1 Omega and I will be just fine.
So you want a Fed cruiser with an Escort's Tac BOFF slots..And I bet you aren't willing to give up the Cmdr and Lt.Cmdr Eng slots to get it either..

There isn't a single Klingon battlecruiser with a Commander Tac BOFF slot, let alone a Commander AND a Lt. Commander Tac BOFF slot..

You're basically asking for a cruiser-version of the Steamrunner there. Maybe you should just buy one of those..

Last edited by wunjee; 12-17-2012 at 05:02 AM.
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# 136
12-17-2012, 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by scurry5 View Post
If this argument is to be valid, it would only be fair to make it so for both factions. In other words, Feds get these carriers, KDF get the science vessels. This would result in both factions playing fairly similarly, which, AFAIK, is not what Cryptic wants.

Also, that argument that KDFers have a 'don't like to share' mentality relies on the assumption that the KDF's ships are superior. I doubt this is the case. At best, both sides are equal.

This seems like a reasonable statement. I know the devs want to keep some things true to the storyline but this is also a game. Balance the sides a bit.

I am not saying the carrier ship is superior but it has the cool ability to launch fighters. I want to try it, so I am picking up the Escort Carrier soonish. I am a tactical player so carrier cruisers don't really do me any good, they just make sense.
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# 137
12-17-2012, 05:16 AM
I think I said it before or maybe I should say it again, If I had the Fleet Patrol or even the reg patrol escort set up i will be happy, i on't need a thousand eng and sci consoles if i'm putting out 125 dps i wouldn't really care
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# 138
12-18-2012, 12:18 AM
Funny story, the Vanguard class (star cruiser) was originally designed as a flight deck cruiser.
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# 139
12-18-2012, 01:18 AM
I still think this thread should dig a hole, crawl into it, and die.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
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