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# 31
10-29-2012, 01:03 AM
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A PROTOTYPE SHIP more awesome than the FLAGSHIP
No, its worst then that ... the Vesta is 35 years old ship by STO time I believe and there were at least 8 build, the Vesta itself and the rest there were named after the 7 hills of Rome.

And yes, I am bitter ... I wanted a Tactical/Science ship, not a God damned Carrier.
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# 32
10-29-2012, 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by skyranger1414 View Post
blah blah blah blah
FYI, less than half of the player base play KDF. Also, Carriers are by very definition unique to people other than the Federation. The Federation does not use carriers therefore it's a hardcore (more than STO already is) canonical error. By the way, if you actually played KDF, you would not think the same but since you're too dumb to play KDF...

As to the Vesta, if that thing exists in this game than I'm done with STO and Cryptic. I refuse to pay Cryptic to produce such blatant pieces of content that screw over the other faction.
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# 33
10-29-2012, 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jellico1 View Post
I'n cannon the Federation didn't have or use fighters
Because personal were not considered expendable
Resources like other empires did

The smallest cannon warship was the 5 man Scorpio
Class corvette seen being destroyed when the first
Borg cube was entering the sol system

3 were poped boom boom boom by the cube

These ships operated I'n 3 groups of 5 to a mothership
A Fenlon class monitor

From a cannon standpoint Feds don't use fighters
Ds9 showed many small craft but they wernt warships,
Mostly converted small patrol craft
Can you show me a cannon show that had a KDF carrier and fighters?
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# 34
10-29-2012, 01:27 AM
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*shrug* IM pretty sure before Cryptic got bought out it was stated Feds would never get carriers.
I think at that point Cryptic was still wanting to believe it could somehow develop more unique features for both sides. PWE, for all its negatives DID splash a nice freezing bucket of water on their faces and made them (or by giving them cash, finally allowed them to... depending on your POV) get things done. And that meant reusing anything and everything, as well as rethinking their old sacred cows.

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Originally Posted by darkroji View Post
FYI, less than half of the player base play KDF. Also, Carriers are by very definition unique to people other than the Federation. The Federation does not use carriers therefore it's a hardcore (more than STO already is) canonical error. By the way, if you actually played KDF, you would not think the same but since you're too dumb to play KDF...
I do believe that the 16-18% that gets thrown around is indeed less than half the playerbase..... you have an unusual way of quoting people.

As for it being a canonical error... I'm sorry, but the ONLY military force shown on screen to use mass formations of small craft (fighters) was in fact, Starfleet.

And BTW, I do have a max level KDF so as it happens, I have a tiny bit of a clue as to what I'm writing about.

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# 35
10-29-2012, 01:31 AM
And here we go again , seems such a topic poops up once a week on how to take away the last bit of KDF uniqueness.

There are already too many carriers and pet spam in this game.
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# 36
10-29-2012, 01:48 AM
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This gets thrown around so often (not the poster, but by players in general)... but what unique gameplay thing do the feds have at all? Certainly not Sci Vessels. Fed ships are tankier but KDF usually has cloaks and/or cannons on everything, not to mention the ability to use said cannons.


Feds get Diplomacy for an extra dialogue option... 3, 4 times in the course of the game? KDF gets marauding, which is a HUGE resource generator all the time.

So the KDF gets better access to energy drain builds, better resource generation, only have to grind 25 levels of missions that get repetitive after your first alt, cruisers that are more fun to fly.... Cryptic practically BRIBES players to play KDF mains and alts. I wonder if the 18% (or thereabouts) that gets thrown about weeds out Fed player's resource generation alts or if it includes them? I just don't see how adding 25 missions to the KDF mission arcs would really shift those numbers; nor how continually believing they are somehow victims when Cryptic has clearly tipped the scales in their favor is at all anything but annoying to them?

I really wish KDF players would get over their victim complex, its a little embarrassing.
Legit arguments in this post. But allow me to burst a few of the less than legit points.

For starters, what do feds get that the KDF doesn't... Ok here we go.

1) 5 tactical console ships. I don't see a single KDF ship with 5 tac consoles. Hmm...

2) Legitimate Science Ships. This is null and void now due to the castration of science in this game after season I forget what already it's been so bloody long, but that's something they have that KDF doesn't.

3) Greater ship variety. Not just in looks like it is with the KDF, but each of those ships is actually different and comes to the table with different abilities and something that actually makes it better other than a quick face-lift like many KDF ships seem to be. Also feds get way more smaller craft.

4) MACO Resilient Shield Array. Granted this is being dealt with in S7 with the adapted omega tech.

5) Armitage. A ship with the firepower and maneuverability of an escort. That comes with a hangar. Oh, and the ability to fire off 200 torps in one shot (slight exaggeration but you get the idea. And yes, only SLIGHT).

6) And last but certainly not least in this list (mostly cuz I am too lazy to think of more reasons) it seems the feds already get way more attention from the developers anyway. Many of the proposed changes and fixes to the KDF side have been ignored while a few less than necessary and more vanity proposals than anything on the fed side have been jumped on and insta-done (again, slight exaggeration but it seems like that).

Now before you call me a whiny klingon, I main my fed. If you compare playtime between my fed and my klink you will see a huge disparity in favor of my fed. But I see this as just stupid. I only play my klink because it's uniqueness from my fed. If you take more of that away, I will probably stop playing it altogether, or really have no reason to play one over the other (even though getting me to stop flying my tor'kaht might be problematic).
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# 37
10-29-2012, 02:19 AM
One of the Bortasqu variants has 5 tacs. Also, yes the Fleet Defiant has 5 tacs, but if it wants to cloak if has to use a slot somewhere on its cloaking device, leaving it only 4 other console slots total. Most Klingon ships can do it for free, so like on the Fleet Qin you have one less tactical console but net two more other.

On the variety thing, honestly what is it you'd like added? Not said as picking a fight or anything, but on my 3 KDF toons I don't find myself missing any of the Federation variety because all my KDF ships do everything I need and then some. BoP may not be the most brutal ship but it sure is the most fun to fly and so versatile. Battlecruiser can do everything a Soverign can do, plus turn faster, pack cannons, and cloak. Plus the Fleet Battlecruiser is just sick. Carrier is a free ship on the KDF side, or if I want to spend $20 I can drive the interesting weirdness of the Karfi. Lack a sci ship without paying, but since sci got nerfed no loss, plus again with a BoP you can do so anyways. And with the Mirror Qin I can now pick up an escort with the toughness of the Patrol Escort for just EC. Yeah there's no Armitage or tractor spam, but instead there's a good assortment of frankly better p2w consoles, Leech chief among those (even if it didn't hurt your enemies, +~16 to all power levels? Yes please!)

It seems like on ships the only two things the KDF really genuinely suffers on are variety and fleet stuff. On variety there aren't as many costumes, but really most of the C-store unlocks are just vanity toys with slight differences; only a few are truly different ships. And definately the KDF got the short end on Fleet Ships and the complete lack of discounts. But otherwise, yeah there aren't many ship options available, but the ones they do have kick butt.
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# 38
10-29-2012, 02:24 AM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post

1) 5 tactical console ships. I don't see a single KDF ship with 5 tac consoles. Hmm...

2) Legitimate Science Ships. This is null and void now due to the castration of science in this game after season I forget what already it's been so bloody long, but that's something they have that KDF doesn't.

3) Greater ship variety. Not just in looks like it is with the KDF, but each of those ships is actually different and comes to the table with different abilities and something that actually makes it better other than a quick face-lift like many KDF ships seem to be. Also feds get way more smaller craft.

5) Armitage. A ship with the firepower and maneuverability of an escort. That comes with a hangar. Oh, and the ability to fire off 200 torps in one shot (slight exaggeration but you get the idea. And yes, only SLIGHT).

6) And last but certainly not least in this list (mostly cuz I am too lazy to think of more reasons) it seems the feds already get way more attention from the developers anyway. Many of the proposed changes and fixes to the KDF side have been ignored while a few less than necessary and more vanity proposals than anything on the fed side have been jumped on and insta-done (again, slight exaggeration but it seems like that).
I'll completely agree that the KDF was shortchanged as far as fleet ship options go. Personally, I see the current lack of a fleet Kar'Fi, Guramba, and B'rel as far more pressing issues than the 5 tac consoles..... or at least the ning'tao skin should be an option for more BOPs! Same for the greater variety, I do believe the KDF could at least share more of its skins across same ship types, like all fleet BoPs sharing skins, etc. Its already THERE, why is it not being used?

I kinda just brushed off SCI ships, while I have never played them I understood the Gorn vessels were science vessels? The fact they all are Z-store ships makes leveling in them an expensive proposition but that's just how the faction got monetized (not personally happy with that solution at all). I think BoPs were meant to balance sci vessels before the gorn ships were finalized i concept.

The 2 final points... the HEC is the answer to the FDC. *shrugs* I expect in time we will see a KDF Flgiht deck Raptor and a Fed flight deck cruiser. Simply because Cryptic needs to sell more ships and adding a fighter bay to things is easy.

As for the extra attention.... I believe Cryptic understood early on that they simply could not justify the cost to expand the KDF faction as much as they had Starfleet. For better or worse they seem to have decided on an enticement and appeasement strategy for the KDF. Marauding and better cruisers to entice Fed players to make alts and to appease full time KDF players. This also has the happy coincidence of making the KDF get more characters, so its easier for the Devs to try to justify any expenses in expanding the KDF.
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# 39
10-29-2012, 02:39 AM
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Can you show me a cannon show that had a KDF carrier and fighters?
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No I cannot
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# 40
10-30-2012, 06:38 PM
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No I cannot
Not the point, a carrier is not something the Federation would use since it's only purpose is war and as the show showed (mainly) they don't build straight up warships.
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