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# 41
10-31-2012, 07:29 AM
Some of the posts in this thread make me ashamed to play KDF characters.
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# 42
10-31-2012, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
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Don't take this the wrong way, but please, stop posting total nonsense.

Carriers were supposed to be a KDF thing ONLY. Anything involving fighters was supposed to be KDF ONLY. They gave feds Carriers (Atrox, and then the Recluse), and then they gave them a high DPS ship with fighters (Armitage). STOP. Seriously. Let the KDF have SOME things that are KDF only. The flight deck cruiser is one of the few things that the KDF have left that are theirs and theirs alone.

So stop being a typical fed and whining that you want something the KDF has.

Or better (speaking from my KDF toon here): you can have your flight deck cruiser when we get raptors that can carry fighters, or even better, raptors that can cloak (wait we can already do that), and have 5 tac consoles (nope, don't have that yet). Or when we get science ships. Or when the Chuck Norris Class Battleship (basically a jet black Oddy with an impulse modifier of 200, turn rate of 90 degrees per second, shield modifier of 5.0 with 10 shield generators, infinite hp with a base passive defense of 30% to avoidance and damage reduction, 10 weapon slots fore and aft, 20 of each console type that have no diminishing returns and is armed with roundhouse-kickarrays that use up 0 energy and do 60k damage per shot (before applying skills) with infinite accuracy bonus and 360 degree firing arc with a range of a couple light years) is put into this game.

Or I can just say what most KDF players would say in a single two letter word.

NO.
Why is this though only the KDF and why not Feds in Starfleet Command every race has carriers.why not a didicated Fed carrier.

I do play both sides Fed and Kdf.
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# 43
11-01-2012, 02:57 AM
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Why is this though only the KDF and why not Feds in Starfleet Command every race has carriers.why not a didicated Fed carrier.

I do play both sides Fed and Kdf.
SFC is basically the PC version of Star Fleet Battles, a tabletop which was created in the late 1970's.
The ship data sheets, the machanics and the weapons are basically copied over from that game.

It plays in an entirely different universe where the Federation, the Klingons and their allies fight out a massive war (the General War) that never happens in the canon Star Trek timeline.
The technology in that universe developed in entirely different directions and the ships (except for the Constitution, the D7 and the Romulan BoP) actually look totally different from canon Trek.
In fact the company that makes SFB (Amarillo Design Bureau) is not allowed to call its product Star Trek.
The only reason Interplay was allowed to put the name Star Trek on it and use models from the movies and their own designs to replace the SFB models was because it held licenses to both universes at the time.
For example the New Light Cruiser in SFB looks like this:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/...f3deabefe1.jpg
In SFC the ship was represented by the Miranda.

You'll note a clear reference to Amarillo Design Bureau when you look at the starting screen of the games:

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2931/sfc2splash.jpg

Amarillo Design Bureau went so far that they put a specific page in its own Prime Directive RPG that begins with the sentence "This is not Star Trek".

So when you mention SFC as an example you picked a very bad one since it's not actually based on Star Trek but on a 1970's tabletop that is itself based on Star Trek but has its own history and technology and is not even allowed to be called Star Trek.
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# 44
11-01-2012, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by misterde3 View Post
SFC is basically the PC version of Star Fleet Battles, a tabletop which was created in the late 1970's.
The ship data sheets, the machanics and the weapons are basically copied over from that game.

It plays in an entirely different universe where the Federation, the Klingons and their allies fight out a massive war (the General War) that never happens in the canon Star Trek timeline.
The technology in that universe developed in entirely different directions and the ships (except for the Constitution, the D7 and the Romulan BoP) actually look totally different from canon Trek.
In fact the company that makes SFB (Amarillo Design Bureau) is not allowed to call its product Star Trek.
The only reason Interplay was allowed to put the name Star Trek on it and use models from the movies and their own designs to replace the SFB models was because it held licenses to both universes at the time.
For example the New Light Cruiser in SFB looks like this:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/...f3deabefe1.jpg
In SFC the ship was represented by the Miranda.

You'll note a clear reference to Amarillo Design Bureau when you look at the starting screen of the games:

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/2931/sfc2splash.jpg

Amarillo Design Bureau went so far that they put a specific page in its own Prime Directive RPG that begins with the sentence "This is not Star Trek".

So when you mention SFC as an example you picked a very bad one since it's not actually based on Star Trek but on a 1970's tabletop that is itself based on Star Trek but has its own history and technology and is not even allowed to be called Star Trek.
I know this all very well as Starfleet Battles and Starfleet Command are not cannon ad the PC version does say Star Trek on the box.I have played it online even the dynaverse.

Star Trek Online is not cannon as well there are lots of parts that you never saw in the shows/moives and ifact having Data and Capt of the Enterprise-E as Data is dead.I don't see why the feds can't have carriers to even a free one like the KDF.
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# 45
11-01-2012, 09:43 AM
The fed HAVE carriers already. Possibly the best carriers in the game if stats are anything to go by on the Armitage and Vesta.
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# 46
11-01-2012, 09:45 AM
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The fed HAVE carriers already. Possibly the best carriers in the game if stats are anything to go by on the Armitage and Vesta.
I wouldn't say this as the KDF have didicated carriers and some great fighters to go alng with them.
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# 47
11-01-2012, 09:46 AM
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I really wish KDF players would get over their victim complex, its a little embarrassing.
I wish feds would get over thier Pedastel complex, its a very annoying for the KDF to keep being told to "be happy" with the things we are not happy with about KDF gameplay.
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# 48
11-01-2012, 09:53 AM
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I wouldn't say this as the KDF have didicated carriers and some great fighters to go alng with them.
Your not saying it doesn't make it untrue.

Between the Atrox (the slow moving science heavy VoQ clone), the Armitage (the Tac heavy fast turning escort carrier), and the upcomming Vesta (the science heavy fast turning scicort carrier) the feds have the carrier vessel class well covered.

The feds have great pets for them as well.
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# 49
11-01-2012, 09:54 AM
I wouldn't say that what I would say is the KDF lack sci ships as the Gorn are suppose to fill that role but they a C Store only no free ones.I am prettty happy with my KDf char except for that one thing.
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# 50
11-01-2012, 11:08 AM
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Nope. More choices! Especially since I would want a cruiser that has at least some pets to command (with carrier commands), so that the Engineer can fulfill a role in space that he is supposed to and does on the ground.

I am aware that some people don't like carriers at all; obviously this thread is not for them.
KDF needs both a escort carrier and true sci ship with flight deck first.

A HUGE thank you to Cryptic for the Mogh-class battle cruiser!
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