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# 41
10-25-2012, 04:02 PM
A Klingon-Romulan alliance was floated in some of the earliest fan-fictions (I mean back in the day pre-internet) to explain why Romulans were flying Klingon ships in a TOS episode.

It was later picked up by the many numbered novels.


Finally it was given "canon" in TNG first with the hate between the powers and later the two-part episode where the Romulans attempt to interfere.
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# 42
10-25-2012, 05:13 PM
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The Federation News Service report contained in this entry of the Season 7 News Dev Blog series reveals information about the Romulans search for a new homeworld.


Link to the blog.
sigh why romulan they are boring, you people lolz why not another race instead of arrogant xeno freaks i will never understand but hey that's just Lil old me. yea new season sounds boring already tried to play the hive but no one was on the test server what the hell. Are you devs limited as to what you can achieve in the game? ie coding the game or is a money thing that you have to make the game even more hard wtf come on. The VET thing really f@#ks me off you people put up life time membership and totally disrespect the vets who friggen actually played the game is this how loyal you are? well i hope that season 7 is good i may stay with the game if it is but if it bores me i am gone. Sick of being ripped off by companies i would have happily paid the sub before f2p. Now whats the friggen point pay to win is where it is going. Still credit where credit is due without you devs we wouldn't have a game i thank you for that with respect. Peace brothers
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# 43 The Three Roms of STO
10-25-2012, 05:26 PM
The obvious conclusion is that Romulan/Reman faction will be a subset of the FEDs and KDFs. The logical solution is to develop three Rom/Rem groups. The FED allies will be those seeking a new relationship withe Vulcans and are willing to abide by FED laws. The KDF side will be those seeking new weapons to fight Sela and her alien supporters. The relationship with KDF is an accepted evil in order to rebuild the old Romulus. Finally, the NPC group is Sela's faction that will use Thalaron weapons. FED and KDF will not have Thalaron since the FEDS consider them to be inhuman and the KDF would not allow a Rom fleet to possess such a weapon (nor would the Roms share such tech with KDF). A variation of a weapon could be installed on the VA version of a Scimitar (combination Shield impairment, crew disabling and Aux impacting).

Personally, I just want a decent Mogai.
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# 44
10-25-2012, 07:21 PM
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The obvious conclusion is that Romulan/Reman faction will be a subset of the FEDs and KDFs. The logical solution is to develop three Rom/Rem groups. The FED allies will be those seeking a new relationship withe Vulcans and are willing to abide by FED laws. The KDF side will be those seeking new weapons to fight Sela and her alien supporters. The relationship with KDF is an accepted evil in order to rebuild the old Romulus. Finally, the NPC group is Sela's faction that will use Thalaron weapons. FED and KDF will not have Thalaron since the FEDS consider them to be inhuman and the KDF would not allow a Rom fleet to possess such a weapon (nor would the Roms share such tech with KDF). A variation of a weapon could be installed on the VA version of a Scimitar (combination Shield impairment, crew disabling and Aux impacting).

Personally, I just want a decent Mogai.
You propose an interesting view of the New Romulans... Would you let both Fed and KDF Romulans have access to the same ships in your world? Would you let Romulans fly KDF or Fed ships?
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# 45
10-25-2012, 07:28 PM
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As a KDF player, this story does not apply. It explains nothing as to why the Klingon Empire does not see this Romulan weakness as an opportunity to attack. A couple of the great houses could see this as an opportunity for an easy victory to attract more warriors to their banners. If this new territory has resources, the empire should seize them immediately.

We could set up a Reman puppet state to administer these systems and exact resources needed for the Federation War. It is a time for glory, not talk!
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Where is the honour in striking at a foe who cannot defend themselves!

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You propose an interesting view of the New Romulans... Would you let both Fed and KDF Romulans have access to the same ships in your world? Would you let Romulans fly KDF or Fed ships?
It's a new age... the Dawn of a New Era.....,

Anything is possible...


This will certainly make for Glorious Discussions in the Great Hall...

And plenty of Back-room Shenanigans in both territories...

I can see Section-31 testing the waters..., luring unsuspecting Romulans in to see if their hearts are truly aiming toward a lasting peace...

The House of Duras could once again rise to former glory...
(albeit through backhanded and sneaky means)

This could become a real problem for J'mpok.. he'll have to tread lightly in order not to antagonize and of the Great Houses that support him.


The Federation would probably let these New Romulans become Fed citizens, but it would take many years before any of them would be trusted to actually command a Starship...

the Klingons would most likely never let a Romulan command one of their ship, though I could see them using Romulans as crew members....

...for as long as they could survive, anyway.
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# 46
10-25-2012, 07:40 PM
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You propose an interesting view of the New Romulans... Would you let both Fed and KDF Romulans have access to the same ships in your world?
No, serious ... no.

You are really starting to cross the line with the KDF being already the mess that is in terms of races with all their different ships and access to each other ships, Federation is not that bad since there are only 2 ships compared with the KDF melting pot.

Lets not add Romulan ships to the Federation and Klingon shipyards, I also dont find acceptable the Lockboxes ship doing that ... cross faction ships.

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Would you let Romulans fly KDF or Fed ships?
If they are members of the Federation of the KDF they would naturally have access to those ships.

If you are serious about a Romulan faction you have to understand that it means the Romulans having their own missions, that means they having their own "The Klingon War", "The Romulan Mystery" and "The Cardassian Struggle" and fact is the KDF is lagging behind lacking many missions as what they usually get is Featured Episodes after the "The Federation War" and "The Fek'Ihri Return".

That is as a faction, if you want to make a mini faction that starts as a higher level you can just do their version of "The Romulan Mystery" and then allow access to the featured episodes after that, even if I am quite sure the KDF would complain at least it beats having another KDF.

If you want to make the members of the KDF and Starfleet, they have to relinquish their ship access, they can keep their starting Romulan Ship but that is it ... I dont see how the Remans and New Romulans are going to allow free access to their shipyards when they need help, simply put they DONT have the ships to spare.
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# 47
10-25-2012, 07:47 PM
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No, serious ... no.

You are really starting to cross the line with the KDF being already the mess that is in terms of races with all their different ships and access to each other ships, Federation is not that bad since there are only 2 ships compared with the KDF melting pot.

Lets not add Romulan ships to the Federation and Klingon shipyards, I also dont find acceptable the Lockboxes ship doing that ... cross faction ships.



If they are members of the Federation of the KDF they would naturally have access to those ships.

If you are serious about a Romulan faction you have to understand that it means the Romulans having their own missions, that means they having their own "The Klingon War", "The Romulan Mystery" and "The Cardassian Struggle" and fact is the KDF is lagging behind lacking many missions as what they usually get is Featured Episodes after the "The Federation War" and "The Fek'Ihri Return".

That is as a faction, if you want to make a mini faction that starts as a higher level you can just do their version of "The Romulan Mystery" and then allow access to the featured episodes after that, even if I am quite sure the KDF would complain at least it beats having another KDF.

If you want to make the members of the KDF and Star Fleet, they have to relinquish their ship access, they can keep their starting Romulan Ship but that is it ... I don't see how the Remans and New Romulans are going to allow free access to their shipyards when they need help, simply put they DON'T have the ships to spare.
I too would rather have a Separate Romulan Faction... even if it takes a couple of years more to get it.



Any ships that get built on New Romulas would be hybrids of Romulan technology and either Fed or Klingon tech..

But truly...,

They don't have the where-with-all at this point in the story to even consider something like that.

It'll take them years alone, just to create their new civilization... even with help.

Building new ships, would NOT be their main concern now.
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# 48
10-25-2012, 07:53 PM
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You propose an interesting view of the New Romulans... Would you let both Fed and KDF Romulans have access to the same ships in your world? Would you let Romulans fly KDF or Fed ships?
I would hope not, personally.

Putting the long-awaited playable Romulans in not as their own faction, but as allies to the existing two is already a blow to the hopes and dreams of many a player, including myself. I feel that further watering them down by allowing them to fly their allies' ships would be ill-advised, damaging what little true Romulan flavor remains.

I think ideally, a Romulan mini-faction would look something like this:
  • Romulan/Reman/Hirogen(?) characters would only be able to fly Romulan ships, with the exception of lockbox and/or DOff pack reward ships INCLUDING Mirror ships. But C-Store and stock ships-of-the-line are off-limits.
  • Rom/Rem/Hiro characters would have their own core DOff packs and a version of the Reinforcements pack, but could both use non-standard DOff packs from their allied faction (So Fed Roms would get Fed DOffs from a Gamma pack, and KDF Roms get KDF DOffs from Gamma packs)
  • Three different progressions of stock ships-of-the-line; a Cruiser analog, a Science Vessel analog, and a Tactical-skewed Bird-of-Prey type ship with a set Tactical slot of the highest rank possible (ex. the T2 would have a Tac Lt. Boff slot and all universal others, the T5 would have a Tac Commander and all universal otherwise).
    • All these ships would have built-in cloaks with an additional built-in stealth bonus at a very slight cost (perhaps very slightly lower than average shield modifiers?). Escorts would get battle cloaks with the same bonus. Basically this would be no different than how Klingon ships are set up, but the small innate stealth bonus would at the very least maintain the flavor that Romulan cloaks are superior to Klingon cloaks.
    • Romulan and Reman hull materials would be available to all these ships.
    • No Hirogen vessels would be stock; rather, they could be leveraged as Romulan mini-fac C-Store ships ala Orion/Gorn/Nausicaan alongside +1's of the Rom/Rem T5's.
  • As much mission content on both sides as it feasible should have the language tweaked to sound more Romulan, like they're their own people with their own opinions but are at least working for their allied faction. I realize, based on how much people complain about the KDF FE's being Fed missions with a red coat of paint, that this won't be a well-liked thing, but it should be far faster than building all new missions.
  • Rom/Rem/Hiro characters could join any KDF or Fed fleet. They can start their own, but the starbase would initially be Fed or KDf rather than Romulan. The assets for this could be done later and slipped in as an option specifically for Rom/Rem/Hiro fleet leaders.

The real sticking point would be the ships, I think. That's, at the absolute least, twelve brand new ship models and three NPC ship upgrades so they'd be player-quality. Based on how slowly our dynamic ship duo works, this could drag out quite a while (no offense, guys; I know they'd look fan-friggin'-tastic when you got done with them). DOffs would be a matter of a new name generator for three new races, then filtering the names for profanity (RIP F'ukk). Mission rewrites might take some time too depending on how many you do, but I can't imagine that would have to do with much beyond writing and maybe UI. Character models can be salvaged from existing ones, though new character assets could take as long as ships depending on how generous you wanted to be with free costumes starting up.



I will scream like a fangirl if this gets an actual, technical response. As a man, I am not ashamed of this fact.

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# 49
10-25-2012, 07:54 PM
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You propose an interesting view of the New Romulans... Would you let both Fed and KDF Romulans have access to the same ships in your world? Would you let Romulans fly KDF or Fed ships?
Romulans, the new Pandas?

If you need to get a romulan faction out the door, but don't have the time (or desire) to make them a third faction this is the path of your only real option. Some limited romulan only content and then let romulan players go either fed or KDF allies, and let fed-kdf players interact with the Romulans.

I would give them the same ships with different markings (they are in a civil war after all). Or I'd do away with the Fed-KDF faction split, since you've kind of done away with it on STF's anyway, outright doing away with it might be helpful. Let fleets pick if *they* are KDF or Fed Style, but player characters can go wherever.

Trying to have a full romulan faction probably isn't a good move, you don't really have the room in the player base to split it up more, and KDF players have enough trouble with KDF only PVE queues creating another faction with that problem wouldn't be helpful.
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# 50
10-25-2012, 08:16 PM
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Any ships that get built on New Romulas would be hybrids of Romulan technology and either Fed or Klingon tech..
Does not work that way.

Lets take the D'deridex class, its powered by a forced quantum singularity as neither the Federation or the Klingon Empire use that technology

Upgrading their entire infrastructure would take significant amount of time and in no way you are assured it would even work.

Simply put, that is Romulan Technology and their isolation have lead then to a path were it cannot be easy integrated.

Also I DONT want to see a D'deridex orbiting ESD with Federation markings, are you THAT desperate to have some "Romulan" that he ends up as NOTHING but a KDF or Federation officer? Because you are selling out the ENTIRE FACTION for it because if that happen you can forget about New or Old Romulans ever being a faction, we just get some new ships in the shipyard and a couple of new races.
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