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# 51
10-25-2012, 08:27 PM
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You propose an interesting view of the New Romulans... Would you let both Fed and KDF Romulans have access to the same ships in your world? Would you let Romulans fly KDF or Fed ships?
Hybrid Romulan/Starfleet and Klingon/Romulan ships would be interesting. As a side note, when designing the Vor'cha-class attack cruiser, Rick Sternbach said that the lighter colour of the hull and the presence of bussard collectors on the end of the nacelles was because of shared technology between the Klingon Empire and the Federation. Perhaps something similar would apply here?
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# 52
10-25-2012, 08:28 PM
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Does not work that way.

Lets take the D'deridex class, its powered by a forced quantum singularity as neither the Federation or the Klingon Empire use that technology

Upgrading their entire infrastructure would take significant amount of time and in no way you are assured it would even work.

Simply put, that is Romulan Technology and their isolation have lead then to a path were it cannot be easy integrated.

Also I DONT want to see a D'deridex orbiting ESD with Federation markings, are you THAT desperate to have some "Romulan" that he ends up as NOTHING but a KDF or Federation officer? Because you are selling out the ENTIRE FACTION for it because if that happen you can forget about New or Old Romulans ever being a faction, we just get some new ships in the shipyard and a couple of new races.
The folks on New Romulas... Have No Infrastructure...

They have a few ships and a small population in a Brand New Planetary Colony.

They are going to have to depend on their own resourcefulness and the kindness of Strangers (Feds/Klinks) for quite a long time.

It will be years before they will be able to start building their own ships from scratch...

And in that time they will most likely adapt and learn to use what ever technology that comes their way, to create their hybrid ships.
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# 53
10-25-2012, 08:33 PM
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You propose an interesting view of the New Romulans... Would you let both Fed and KDF Romulans have access to the same ships in your world? Would you let Romulans fly KDF or Fed ships?
Technically the way you guys and gals at Cryptic layed out this story as the person you were quoting is suggesting... The issue with thalaron weaponry those specific romulans would not have that tech because whoever is running the tal shiar and obisek have that tech these romulan rub off to me as basically ordinary citizens that have taken over of what was left and seem more like the cardassians civilian government.

Although the issue is most of romulan and klingon tech is the same though since they were allies and their ships pretty much are the same just different architecture. Although the thalaron issue would be an issue being that is the main reason the scimitar is designed the way it is for that weapon. Without those components it wouldn't be a scimitar.

Although for story reasons with embassys and such the way the game is going from the little bit on KDF side and the fed sides romulan arc are clashing with this romulan colony but I would assume its to say this is after you have hit level 50 and moving forward with time for the players. There could be some story written that the romulan and vulcans unify with their unification and bring an end to the Fed/KDF war and due to the borg and undine threats facing the quadrant they make a new treaty with strict enforcements on when or the thalaron could be used in order to (be able to make these scimitars available with the thalaron technology presumably only to fight non alpha quadrant threats much like agreement the romulans made for the cloak with the defiant).

Although with the 1000 day vet reward raptor with battle cloak it did give me an idea especially with the dilithium rewards expanding to where people like myself would want to play both factions I had an idea there. The defiant doesn't have a battle cloak and many including myself have voiced against the defiant having one but... in interests of making it more interesting with a said brokered treaty from the romulans where it also brokers a new cloaking device treaty where the defiant gets a battle cloak but in the exchange the romulans give some new tech to the kdf allowing the fleet raptors to also have battle cloaks. That way both sides get something out of it and defiants will be a little bit more fun to play. Personally it would give me an incentive to play the federation side which i seldom do so that plus the dilithium reward changes there would be much more incentive to play both sides.

I would say the Romulan ships though they really should be all for both sides though. Since its neither Federation nor Klingon if they are going to go in it should be equal. It would help the KDF with the lack of larger ships compared to the fed side and it would also give the federation more escort type ships they lack.

The last thing on this though is a lot of players because of no romulans have aliens dressed up as romulans but if there were to be playable romulans I believe one thing is for us to be able to convert aliens we have and keep resources/rank/ships/abilities we have made with them so it feels more canon if that is what is to be with the playable romulan over romulan faction.
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# 54
10-25-2012, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by dastahl View Post
You propose an interesting view of the New Romulans... Would you let both Fed and KDF Romulans have access to the same ships in your world? Would you let Romulans fly KDF or Fed ships?
If the Romulans were to be a subset of both the Fed and KDF factions (and I think this is a great idea, (provided that if it happens you give a free race respec to everyone, I wanted to play as a Romulan back when I joined, but had to make an Ailen, for instance.))

I'd probably limit Romulan ships to Romulan characters only, and only have access to the Bird of Prey, Mogai Escort, and D'Deridex Warbirds, as well as the Romulan Shuttle and T'Liss Fighter, with no restriction on either faction. I'd stay away from the Scimitar, as it would have to be equipped with a proper thalaron device, and not only would it be completely unbalanced, but neither the Federation or KDF would likely use such a weapon.

I'd also give access to the parent faction's own ships.
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# 55
10-25-2012, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by daveyny View Post
The folks on New Romulas... Have No Infrastructure...
Yet there they command starships, were did they come from and how are they maintained?

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They have a few ships and a small population in a Brand New Planetary Colony.
Some of those "few" ships happen to be Smimitar and D'deridex class, those are large ships requiring a substantial crew complement and infrastructure to maintain then.

Also you are not helping your case since if they have few ships, they would be unlikely to give then away.

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They are going to have to depend on their own resourcefulness and the kindness of Strangers (Feds/Klinks) for quite a long time.
Except they can throw away resources to the players ...like oh, Fleet Support.

They are NOT starting from scratch, to start they have the support of the Remans that control the Vault, a rather large installation.

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It will be years before they will be able to start building their own ships from scratch...
You are making your case even worst.

If it will be "years" then why are you talking about hybrids? Neither the KDF or the Federation would adopt a Romulan design since if they have NOTHING to work with then ANYTHING they would build that would be SUPPLIED by either the KDF or the Federation.

Congratulations, you just removed Romulan ships form the Romulan Faction and no, its not like they would give away the technical specifications for those ships to be builded since neither the KDF or the Federation would turn their shipyards into manufacturing ships they know little about.

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And in that time they will most likely adapt and learn to use what ever technology that comes their way, to create their hybrid ships.
Look, if they DONT have infrastructure they are not going to adapt to anything because they are building from scratch.

IF they are building from scratch they are not going to "adapt", they are building what they KNOW and not go around with untested concepts, also as you said "it will be years before they can build ships" that means NO SHIPS WOULD BE AVAILABLE PERIOD for years to come.

Also this begs the question ... why would the KDF CARE? If these Romulans have nothing to offer they would be throwing away resources they need NOW in exchange for something that might come in the future and I dont think the Federation is going to help MILITARY a Romulan faction since THAT would be interfering in internal Romulan affairs leading to opening of a open war with the rest of the Romulan Star Empire.
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# 56
10-25-2012, 10:17 PM
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If the Romulans were to be a subset of both the Fed and KDF factions (and I think this is a great idea, (provided that if it happens you give a free race respec to everyone, I wanted to play as a Romulan back when I joined, but had to make an Ailen, for instance.))

I'd probably limit Romulan ships to Romulan characters only, and only have access to the Bird of Prey, Mogai Escort, and D'Deridex Warbirds, as well as the Romulan Shuttle and T'Liss Fighter, with no restriction on either faction. I'd stay away from the Scimitar, as it would have to be equipped with a proper thalaron device, and not only would it be completely unbalanced, but neither the Federation or KDF would likely use such a weapon.

I'd also give access to the parent faction's own ships.
Pretty much what I would expect but the one thing though is any big fan of romulans/remans is going to want that Scimitar. It may just need something less on the side of instant weapon of mass destruction and probally just a super plasma torpedo console or something or 180 degree beam overload with a replacement from its thalaron core with something that is more humane LOL.

Edited: One thing I am not understanding though is with the Romulan Arc + STF's how the borgified romulans and stuff falls with these romulans... Or if its just one of the other sects of the romulans involved in this.

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# 57
10-25-2012, 10:40 PM
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You propose an interesting view of the New Romulans... Would you let both Fed and KDF Romulans have access to the same ships in your world? Would you let Romulans fly KDF or Fed ships?
I could live with it if Romulans shared some game assets with the other two factions. But they should still remain their own political entity. I'd even be cool with it if romulan characters started at level 50. Sure it'd be nice if you actually needed to level, but as long as I get to fly a D'deridex under the romulan flag....
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# 58
10-25-2012, 10:41 PM
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You propose an interesting view of the New Romulans... Would you let both Fed and KDF Romulans have access to the same ships in your world? Would you let Romulans fly KDF or Fed ships?
For me to not call a Rom-subset Faction that just joins the Feds or KDF a complete cop-out it'd have to come with new tech that allows species-specific missions. Give the Romulans a bunch of their own missions in addition to restricting them to their own ships and I might just be able to tolerate it.
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# 59
10-25-2012, 10:41 PM
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Pretty much what I would expect but the one thing though is any big fan of romulans/remans is going to want that Scimitar. It may just need something less on the side of instant weapon of mass destruction and probally just a super plasma torpedo console or something or 180 degree beam overload with a replacement from its thalaron core with something that is more humane LOL.

Edited: One thing I am not understanding though is with the Romulan Arc + STF's how the borgified romulans and stuff falls with these romulans... Or if its just one of the other sects of the romulans involved in this.
Scimitar and it's Thalaron gun should be the first Romulan faction Z-Store ship.
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# 60
10-25-2012, 10:52 PM
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The obvious conclusion is that Romulan/Reman faction will be a subset of the FEDs and KDFs. The logical solution is to develop three Rom/Rem groups. The FED allies will be those seeking a new relationship withe Vulcans and are willing to abide by FED laws. The KDF side will be those seeking new weapons to fight Sela and her alien supporters. The relationship with KDF is an accepted evil in order to rebuild the old Romulus. Finally, the NPC group is Sela's faction that will use Thalaron weapons. FED and KDF will not have Thalaron since the FEDS consider them to be inhuman and the KDF would not allow a Rom fleet to possess such a weapon (nor would the Roms share such tech with KDF). A variation of a weapon could be installed on the VA version of a Scimitar (combination Shield impairment, crew disabling and Aux impacting).

By that reasoning, we wouldn't get a playable Romulan faction. That would be very much a pity. (I mean, we had this poll stating quite clearly that a simple majority of people wanted a playable Romulan faction recently, right?)

The New Romulus group will try to be allied to both the Klingons and the Federation, who are currently at war with each other (although that war seeems to have become a bit sleepy with all the other threats to both empires out there).

Being Romulans, they will try to keep their independence by playing the Federation and the Klingon Empire against each other, will be allied to both, but giving each only what is required for New Romulus' needs, support them a bit with task force Omega, etc. And at the same time, spy on them.

A playable Romulan faction would most logically be placed exactly there, on New Romulus, with other factions being NPC's. They would bring their own ships, but maybe use a few Klingon designs, too. (The D7 is the most obvious choice, and no Federation ships because the Federation would not give away weapons of War so easily.) That way, people would be able to play faction-shared content with their Romulans and still have an independent faction, and any lackings with the Romulan ships (of which there seem to be only four, currently, I think) could be made up for by using existing player ships.

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