You're a deluded ego maniac that thinks he knows anything about ship building. That's why I stopped giving a damn about this discussion.

You Do No Damage, Chump. Know why I -know- how much more dps you'll be dealing? Because I know the games mechanics. I know what kind of increase in output you can expect from pvp to pve. Unless you're magically doing 4k dps, You aren't going to trump a eng beam boat, and frankly you don't have the Firing arc, and you rely on destructible spam to get what little damage you can muster... in an Oddy no less.

You came onto this forum espousing your Crap that a pve build will trump a pvp build in damage. We smacked you around like a red headed step child and now your defense is "zomg no this is good enough for pve! I never said I'd do more dps!"

You didn't have a turn rate of 17+. if you had, you'd have been able to hit -anything- when the escorts were face raping you. You weren't. You stayed near stationary to pivot in place and attempt rather sorrily to get your torps back into position.

You use far more heals on yourself than any pvp build dumb ass get off the forum.

I don't even need RSP on my cruiser. You got Mowed the Hell down. because you aren't any good at tanking, you didn't move. You sat almost stationary. That means you had a hell of a lot less than 70 percent.

You're screaming that some how you are going to do more than 3500 dps in a ship that can't even keep targets in it's arcs. You aren't. At best you're going to be doing 2200 chump. And that's being Generous.

I can play you can't chump. Thats why my defenses are adequate and yours are Fail. Especially when you cut your throttle to try and use those lol torpedoes.

You do not know my full weapon system fitted, my full BO skills used, my console layout, you have no idea on my raw weapon damage, firing rate, doff layout. Yet without that you can work out my PvE DPS? How would you feel if I came up to you not knowing any of that and said you do no damage in PvE and started calling you names?

As this thread has shown you do not appear to know the games mechanics as well as you think you do. You have stated a number of things that are proven wrong.



I can beat 4k dps in bursts but cannot sustain it. Against some groups I can do 10k burst but again cannot sustain it. Normally I start each fight against NPC with higher DPS bursts then drop down. My DPS is very spiky like that.



Why would I not have a firing arc in PvE with a turn rate of 17 to 30? Against slow moving NPC'd what would I fail to get into arc with a turn rate up to 30 in bursts? I know you like to say I do not have a turn rate that high well you are wrong.

Thanks to the advice from the people I was fighting I am going boost turn rate even more with power to engines and a skill tweak (I had no points in engine performance). You said I am "deluded ego maniac that thinks he knows anything about ship building" well you are wrong and I can admit to not knowing everything and making mistakes. I learned and got valuable data from the fight and they the guy whos name I forgot (sorry I am bad with names) was helpful in teaching me in voice chat. I fully admit that my build sucks for arena PvP and that I used it poorly in that match. As I said before I used it for fun and although its poor for PvP it works for PvE even if it's not the best. I agreed on his advice.


EDIT:
That is not 100% what happened go back re read. I said PvE is so easy you can afford to lose ACCx3 and swap to higher PvE DPS setups like 6% crit. I also said you can afford to lose tank and fit more DPS grear in PvE as the NPC deal out less damage. I said often in Elite STF I do not even bother with science skills and take more tac skills for DPS but I cannot do that in PvP as it fails.

Unless you are saying ACCx3 out damages 6% crit for PvE then what I said is correct. Another example instead of a PvP broadside setup you can swap to a PvE dual beam bank setup and do more DPS than broadsides but this only works for PvE and fails at PvP. What is crap about this? I never said PvE setups out damage PvP setups at PvP in fact I said those PvE setups are often rubbish at PvP. How is taking a setups I said will be rubbish at PvP and proving its rubbish at PvP proving I am wrong? My defense is not “this is good enough for pve” my defense is A, the torp boat was not what I was talking about in my posts. B, I said PvE setups are often rubbish at PvP lets fight for fun. Go back and re read.

EDI2:
Take a PvP broadside beam boat, remove the sci skills and take extra DPS tactical skills, remove ACC weapons and take crit chance and you have a PvE setup that out DPS’s the PvP setup at PvE. But the setup fails at PvP but works for PvE. That what I was trying to get at.



That?s it I am done with you. I am fed up of your lies and you choosing not to read what I say or taking what I say to meaning something else. Lots of the information you have on what happed is wrong which you just proved yet again by saying I fly an oddy when I do not and have already told you I do not.

Keep telling me I fly an oddy with a slow turn rate as much as you like but it does not make it true. It only goes to show you have no idea what you are talking about.

Maybe we can get real lucky and have you leave this forum section for good too.

Yes I do, I've got the combat log. I can see exactly what you healed, what skills you used and didn't use Chump.

The only thing you've proven is that you live in denial. Also Acc3? lol. You don't need Acc3. Not on a properly setup pvp ship. Chump.

You obviously weren't flying a ship with a base turn of 17, Chump. If you were that mvam wouldn't have run rings around you front to back twice over, with you flinging out your mines, which did more damage than what was supposed to be your ships Primary weapons.

You know -nothing- of proper ship setups. My eng cruiser would -never- have died to either the mvam, or broken1981s jemhadar. They'd have flung themselves at it, over and over again until hell froze over. You on the other hand? Went down like a cheap hooker, in under 2 minutes. What does that tell you about your knowledge of the game chump?

Know what that combat log shows? That you paniced, like an abused child and threw literally everything you had to not die. because you sat virtually Parked the whole time. The mvam in particular simply waited for your heals to die out, and then ramped up his secondary alpha, and blew you away with you completely unable to Respond. Your static resists were a Joke, your Defense score was even more deplorable.

And that "serious damage drop!" you claim from weapons? Isn't nearly as sharp as your rp self wants it to be.

Get off this forum. No one wants a pveer here that seriously thinks his ship is at all competitive, when it can't even do more than 734 DPS in combat.

Well I see kingofsandbox is still spreading his made up facts and telling me my turn rate even though he has no idea what it is and has never seen my ship. Ok I rounded my turn rate which is 16.6 not 17. But hey I must be wrong as kingofsandbox who thinks I fly an oddy when I do not and who never seen my ship knows it better than me.

Just to prove how much kingofsandbox is making up, here is my PvP log from today. The first game was 1v1 which my setup is not very good at, but not as bad as kingofsandbox says. I did have a bad match a few days ago at 700dps but kingofsandbox failed to understand what happened in that match and I am not explaining it again.

http://imageshack.us/f/87/dps1.jpg/
(*edit I was not the highest in the 2nd set of damage, I just wanted to show my DPS, I fully admit there are better higher DPS setups then me)

I blanked out the names as I believe the forum rules say you cannot post ingame names. 1.8k dps and 2.2k dps as I said my ship isn?t very good at PvP but I thought I would post this to show how my real dps is more than double what kingofsandbox says my max dps is.

Thanks to broken1981 advice I tweaked my setup a little. Removed RSP, moved EptS 1 into the RSP slot and slotted EptE1. My max turn rate is now 37? in bursts, I should really double check that.
EDIT: Just checked it is 37 with Power to engines a little lower without.


EDIT:
“which did more damage than what was supposed to be your ships Primary weapons.”
Only just noticed that, how funny and its another example of kingofsandbox thinking he knows what he is talking about. My Primary front and Primary rear weapon did do the most damage.

Miss clicked, ment to edit my other post
If any GM reads this please delete. Cannot see a report post button.

You claim to have fought against competent players when they dealt only 800 some odd DPS as the next closest to your damage out put.

LOL

Also lets see.

What did the most damage
35,903 damage from your mines
and 10625 again mines. out of 81338

Looks to me like I was right, again jack ass.

57% of your damage was from Mines.

Your mines did more than your torpedoes did. and you had spread 3 and spread 2 boosting them up.

I know more about the game than you ever will now get off the forums Chump.
I watched you Die. To My Guns in 1:49 seconds. in a ship that was so hopelessly out maneuvered that frankly I don't care what you are flying, whatever it is you need to stop flying it. I smacked you down to under 30 percent in 5 seconds. That should Never have happened in the first place, especially since you are an engineer. After that, I watched you panic blow every heal and resist in your arsenal, and held back my secondary alpha. once your crap wore off I vaped you. In that whole time you got only handful of torp shots off period, and I took more from your Mines, than I did your actual ships primary weapons. Then I vaped you. I vaped you so hard that you're still insisting that's not how it went down.

Also it's EPTS2 you put in that slot. Not EPTS1. Idiot.

On another note

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=497352

I thought you said you know the mechanics of the game and my setup? Fleet Transphasic and rapid fire Transphasic are my two secondary torpedoes weapons. My 3rd torpedo type is my Primary torpedo and that torpedo did do the most damage. I know my setup and I know which torpedoes did the most damage I even checked the ingame combat log and triple checked at that. Fleet and rapid fire torps did what they are meant to and came last in my setup. Those are my fighter/small ship anti spam clearing torps. Go check my 3rd torpedo type that is my Primary torpedo and is what did all the damage. So no you are not right.

EDIT: Half the weapon slots on my ship are my primary torpedo weapon. My secondary weapons are a Fleet Transphasic and a rapid fire Transphasic torpedo and x2 mine weapon system.


I never claimed those people are competent, not everyone is competent in Pug groups.
The 1v1 guy was competent which was why I asked him for a 1v1 but I never claimed the people below me are competent, the people above me seemed to be competent though one doing well over 3kdps. Some of the people below me warped out!

The only thing that matters is my DPS not how bad someone else does on my team in a Pug group.



If you are the 2nd person who shot at me (not sure as your in game name is different) then you did that while I was stationery with ?defense, zero buffs, low shield power, no EptS, no TT or balancing of shields and not expecting the person who came into to watch the fight to shoot me.

It should never have happened as you expect in a 1v1 for the 3nd person who is watching not to shoot. I never agreed to fight a 3rd person and was not ready. I would have if I had spotted the chat and had chance to get ready. You never asked me if I was ready you just shouted in chat let me have a go while I was talking to the first guy and in fleet and started shooting. If we have a rematch you most likely would win but not that fast.

Yes I panicked as I was no expecting the 3rd person who came in to watch the 1v1 to suddenly shoot me. I had to blow all my heals just to get back up from 27% armor from sitting without moving with zero buffs. No Escort can take a maco 125shield power buffed up cruiser down to 27% armor in 5 seconds. I had zero buffs ?defense from not moving and low shield power.


?Also it's EPTS2 you put in that slot. Not EPTS1. Idiot.?
I moved what was EptS1 into the 2nd slot turning it into EptS2 leaveing me a slot for EptE1. That?s what I ment I just did not explain it in the best way.

Lots of angry people here. Lol

I would just like to add that I have used an Odyssey torpedo boat in PVP . With Transphasic even . I have never thought of it as a dps build, in fact whenever I wasn?t the lowest damage for the match I wondered what was wrong with the other guy lol. However if you fly a ship like that you better have the most heals in a match. And not just to yourself but to everyone. As far as the firing arc and turning goes it?s not too bad because most cruisers are beam boats meaning people will not sit on your side.

I used Torpedoes because I always have my shield and aux power at 125. The weapon power would never get much above the 70s.

Torpedo Cruiser = PVP Heal boat

A note I think using this build in PVE is very silly. All you need for PVE is little ship with a big gun.

And what did you do after the first opening seconds? You stood still, still. And did nothing. Oh wait you hit reverse to try to turn your torps into the fight, while you threw everything you had at surviving.

Even coming in from being Cold, you should have been able to simply hit TT, MW and EPTS and been fine once you started moving. But you didn't. You crapped yourself, and then vegged out as if you were an NPC, trying desperately to get your torps into action. All the while I zipped all over you. This is exactly why such a build that you had is a liability in pvp. And it's exactly the kind of build that gets you one shot from borg cubes should you draw enemy aggro in pve. To say nothing of how utterly useless that setup is for Fleet Action duty. This is also why a beam boat is better. You don't have to sit there almost parked to get your weapons into the fight.

In the whole time span of that fight, your mines did 57 percent of your damage. Period, your torps which had the lion share of your limited tac buffs made up the other 43 percent. Your secondary weapons did more damage than your primary weapons. Unless now you are going to claim that your mines are your primary weapons, in which case you couldn't have picked an utterly worse weapon system for pvp or pve to have as your primary weapons.