- New Season update...check...

- Obligatory thread claiming the updates/changes to the game in the new season will destroy what PvP there is in STO...check...

Nice to see the run-up to the new Season update is proceeding normally.

Good to see that I am not the only one seeing it this way.

really guys, relax. Human nature is to not like change. But aren't we, being Star Trek fans, a bit more into innovation? ^^

Apologist attitude aside, it's a fact that more pvp players leave STO with every new craptastic addition to the game and continued pvp neglect than new players get added. Even slow bleeders, when left untreated, lead to death. PvP playerbase used to number in the thousand range and is now down to just a small handful of loyalists. Because there is no where else to engage in starship combat. But that's pvp's only saving grace at the moment, and as starship combat becomes less and less fun, that one piece of good becomes less and less important. Remember QEW, the old SOB crew, 7th Core, GoD? All those fleets of players who will never, ever come back. It's only so long until there is but a dozen people left and the queues pop with the same 5v5 over and over and over.

Bah, empty words. Exactly what people said when Dili was introduced, when lockbox ships came, when the fleet system came (an even bigger grind) and now with this small addition. Still, people adapt and learn to play the game in it's new version as well. Grinding a character to the top of the tree is still no slower than other MMOs. Grinding out the rep stuff is no slower than grinding out a XII set in the STFs. (barring cases of extreme luck)

Try to look at it as an increased level-cap.

+10 char

It's also a fact that more players come than leave. The queues are still alive and kicking. (I can remember time when getting a match could take an hour!)

That's not entirely true.

There's nowhere else to engage in casual starship combat - sure... but there's definitely somewhere else to engage in starship combat.

The ques die with every patch more and more. The only thing I ever see are more and more dilith farmers and afkers in pvp matches.

Must be a time zone thing. When I play, the queues usually are faster than they were a month or two ago, even in FvK.

I also note that the average quality of Klingons has... not exactly improved, with many new names to be seen on the Klingon side. Looks like new players to me.

Your perception always has been skewed.

I have to agree about the queues being faster than they were about a month ago.

It's usually a 5-10 minute wait now instead of the 15-20 minute wait. Course, that's FvF. Not too many folks bother to queue FvK... I'll queue FvK if there's a daily. Otherwise, it's pointless...

That must be it. For when I disagree with you, I must be wrong, because you have The Truth.