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Captain
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# 51
10-30-2012, 07:25 PM
STO doesn't have the increase in difficulty to match the increase in power coming from the ships... have to wonder if they'll retune PvE at some point.

If not, they're just going to make PvE more boring and PvP more... whatever expletive you wish to insert for how PvP is... will likely work.
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# 52
10-30-2012, 07:44 PM
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It's not a case of calling credibility into question - it's a shout out to the credibility from other threads and the perceived overreaction that's taking place here with out any hard facts.

If there was not the credibility from other posts and threads - well - my tone would be very different...

As for the Vesta, it was player discussion - that I last participated in back in March. You can do a search for Archived Post... it's there. Actually, I can do a search for it - because folks quoted me - and the name shows up in the quotes even though it doesn't show up on the post, funny - eh?

CBS gave the green light for the Mark's ships back at the end of Jan/start of Feb - that's where all the discussion about the Vesta as a shuttlecarrier began...
I'd honestly rather overreact and be wrong than say nothing and greenlight them releasing this Frankenstein's monster.

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# 53
10-30-2012, 07:47 PM
There should be a Vesta devblog tomorrow afternoon...
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# 54
10-30-2012, 09:13 PM
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It's not a case of calling credibility into question - it's a shout out to the credibility from other threads and the perceived overreaction that's taking place here with out any hard facts.

If there was not the credibility from other posts and threads - well - my tone would be very different...

As for the Vesta, it was player discussion - that I last participated in back in March. You can do a search for Archived Post... it's there. Actually, I can do a search for it - because folks quoted me - and the name shows up in the quotes even though it doesn't show up on the post, funny - eh?

CBS gave the green light for the Mark's ships back at the end of Jan/start of Feb - that's where all the discussion about the Vesta as a shuttlecarrier began...
there is a ton of hard facts, pay attention.

its a sci ship

it can mount DHC

it has at least 1 hanger

its movement and heath is going to be somewhere between a recon and a neb


if you don't know the implications of these facts, i can understand skepticism. but there is already enough damning evidence that this ship is going to be too good, be able to do to many mold breaking things at once to have even a shred of balance. the DHCs was one thing, barfing runabouts though absolutely kills any chance of this being a balanced ship
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# 55
10-30-2012, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
there is a ton of hard facts, pay attention.

its a sci ship

it can mount DHC

it has at least 1 hanger

its movement and heath is going to be somewhere between a recon and a neb


if you don't know the implications of these facts, i can understand skepticism. but there is already enough damning evidence that this ship is going to be too good, be able to do to many mold breaking things at once to have even a shred of balance. the DHCs was one thing, barfing runabouts though absolutely kills any chance of this being a balanced ship
It's not the only Sci that can mount DHC nor the only Sci with hangars.

So the concern would be the turn rate. It's around the size of a Sovereign. 672m in length. The Neb is 442m and the RSV is 450m.

So it's the size of a ship with a TR of 7ish - but it's going to sport a TR of a ship over 200m shorter in the RSV?

Wouldn't it be more logical to say that it's going to be somewhere between the Negh'var and the Karfi? 7-9 rather than it being up to 13?

But you can slap RCS on it - like you do with a Negh'var. The Negh's sporting those Eng console slots that a Sci ship's not going to have... you can hit up the RCS if you want, at the loss of armor. Keep in mind, it's a Sci - so it's in the weak hull category already.

I really don't get the stuff with ADRs. Sure, I only play in PUGland - but I 99.9% run FvF - so I see my fair share of ADRs... and I kill them. It's not like when I drop out GW/TR/TBR/DPB Tric-Trans/Breen Clusters/TS Trans and spam the Hell out of the battlefield only to watch the ASDs dance about giggling at me as I die. I have more problems with Fed pet phaser proc spam than tractors... whether I'm running PH/APO or just killing whatever decided to hit me with a tractor. There are just so many ways to counter a tractor...

...I could see a concern if it was sporting a high TR - because they could subnuke and the tractors would hold you - but again, the Vesta's around the size of a Sov or a Negh.
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# 56
10-31-2012, 12:38 AM
What is the other science ship that can mount DHC and hangars on fed side ? Must have missed it...
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# 57
10-31-2012, 12:41 AM
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What is the other science ship that can mount DHC and hangars on fed side ? Must have missed it...
So it's KDF tears...eh?
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# 58
10-31-2012, 12:44 AM
Crapfi is a carrier with 2 hangars and no sensor analysis. So no science ship in my eyes.
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# 59
10-31-2012, 01:14 AM
Well then, I take that back... I could have sworn it did. I had thought about getting one way back, but I couldn't justify the price for a single toon.

Definitely glad I didn't buy it then...meh.

Given that, I could see why the KDF would be upset if the ship has a TR that allows it to make use of DHCs.

Back in the discussions earlier in the year - much of it was modeled after making the Vesta akin to the Karfi on the Fed side...

So that would mean there are only 3 KDF vessels with Sensor Analysis... that should be fixed.

I still don't believe that the Vesta will have the TR to make use of DHCs without being a glass cannon though... we'll find out later today depending on what info's in the blog post about it.
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# 60
10-31-2012, 01:24 AM
All good advice Soph!

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im not sure how your supposed to avoid feeling biter, angry and disappointed when something you enjoy is, by choice directly or indirectly, slowly made worse as time goes by. not improved, made worse.
"Worse" is subject to how you look at it.


Different is what I would say. It's an MMO, the rules change with every patch. Every few weeks, it's a new game. What was good before is crap now, and what was crap before is good now.

And frankly, if the game didn't constantly change, I'd be bored of it long time ago.

Also, what is broken today always seems worse than what was broken last week. Remember broken CSV and FAW that would swwep the map clean in a few seconds? Original SNB that shut you down for "a minute"? Broken Queues that meant you were lucky to get a pop in 2 hours? Chroniton clouds that filled your screen completely?.... Some part of the game will always be more broken than the rest. When new items/ships are launched, they will always be stronger than the old ones. In a few weeks, they in turn will be weaker than the next big thing.

What is broken will be brought back in line, eventually, and in the meantime we try our best to work around it. This is how it is. It will not change. It's in the nature of a constantly evolving MMO. And from what I hear, STO is really not that bad compared to other MMOs...

That said; should we stop raging in the forums when something is broken? Heck no! We're even fortunate enough to have the ear of a dev! A dev that has some capacity to tweak the game and make it better! I've been with STO long enough to know what a privilege this really is! 2 years ago, you could cry a river in the pvp forum, and the only dev response you would get was a forum ban from an angry forum-dev. My best advice would be to treat Borticus with respect, and pray he doesn't tire too soon of our (my own included) endless whining!

EDIT: What we DO have reason for being bitter at, is the unfulfilled promises. The promises of new resources devoted to PvP. That's just stringing people along, and is not nice at all. In STO, PvP is a low priority. That's fact. Maybe someday it will change, and it would be awsome, but until the resources have actually been allocated to pvp, Cryptic should stop throwing out promises.

Last edited by dassemsto; 10-31-2012 at 02:06 AM.
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