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# 11
11-01-2012, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by squishkin View Post
For a science player, the Wells has better turn, more hull, better shields, and arguably a better console layout.
Yeah - am VERY pleased with the Wells class, it's a wonderful ship.

As said, am buying the three-pack Vesta - already brought the Zen - and I'll definitely put my Tac toon in it.

I'll undoubtedly try the sci version with my sci toon at some point too, but have found (since won my Wells class) that I don't really want to fly anything else and I suspect that even if/when I do try another ship, the Wells will be the one I always want to go back to.
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Remember, this place [Captain's Table] is so desolate that upon entering the Aenigma Nebula you will be prompted with a warp out box because the game thinks you flew there by mistake.
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# 12
11-01-2012, 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by havam View Post
While the wells is the better dmg dealer, the orb is the better support ship.
Think of the wells as +intrepid, and the orb as +1 nebula.

The orb net is a great non-griefing, non-op, but still usefull zone denial ability. but you don't have to use it on the ship tbh.
If you don't mind me asking, how is the Orb a better support craft? (Not a troll question or aggressive, I am genuinely curious)
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
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# 13
11-01-2012, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
If you don't mind me asking, how is the Orb a better support craft? (Not a troll question or aggressive, I am genuinely curious)
Like the nebby, you can combine Lt Cmd Eng + Cmd Sci with another Lt. Cmd uni (sci or eng) for more heals, with the weaver. With just a TT 1 you give up on a lot of dmg, but cc in a healing goes through the roof.

Back in the good old days, that was kind of the nebula intrepid divide. Intrepid full on debuff/cc, but nebbie is the better cc/healer
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# 14
11-01-2012, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by havam View Post
Like the nebby, you can combine Lt Cmd Eng + Cmd Sci with another Lt. Cmd uni (sci or eng) for more heals, with the weaver. With just a TT 1 you give up on a lot of dmg, but cc in a healing goes through the roof.

Back in the good old days, that was kind of the nebula intrepid divide. Intrepid full on debuff/cc, but nebbie is the better cc/healer
Gotcha, thanks.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
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# 15
11-01-2012, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
It's very simple. The devs said each new lock box ship will be better than the last. And the Wells compared to the Orb Weaver is no exception. Wells is a better ship by far. The only thing the Orb Weaver has over the Wells is appearance, and that's only my opinion, not a fact.
That seems like bull, quite honestly. I have the D'Kora, the Galor, and the Wells and the Wells is certainly not decidedly better than the D'Kora and the Galor.
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# 16
11-01-2012, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by squishkin View Post
That seems like bull, quite honestly. I have the D'Kora, the Galor, and the Wells and the Wells is certainly not decidedly better than the D'Kora and the Galor.
But if you look carefully, you will notice that neither the D'Kora nor the Galor are a science ship. And that the Orb Weaver and Wells Timeship are.

O.O

Amazing...

Oh, and something else. Can the D'Kora or Galor do that science thingy with the other thingy and that shiny thingy that the Wells can? Oh right, excuse me, reverse time, freeze time, and basically snafu time? I don't think so. The Wells beats out the previous SCIENCE ship(s) by a lot. That's all I was saying. Guarantee when they come out with a new lockbox Cruiser it will probably be able to slaughter the Galor, and the next lockbox escort will make mincemeat out of the D'kora. Remember, ship classes matter
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Last edited by hereticknight085; 11-01-2012 at 07:16 AM.
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# 17
11-01-2012, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
But if you look carefully, you will notice that neither the D'Kora nor the Galor are a science ship. And that the Orb Weaver and Wells Timeship are.
True, but that's got nothing to do with what you said, which is that every lockbox ship will be better than they last. It's not true. I have three of them.

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Oh, and something else. Can the D'Kora or Galor do that science thingy with the other thingy and that shiny thingy that the Wells can? Oh right, excuse me, reverse time, freeze time, and basically snafu time? I don't think so.
Again, I have the Wells, I have the Tippler Cylinder, I have the Temporal Warfare set. It honestly isn't all that. I mean it's pretty shiny, but it's also kinda useless.
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# 18
11-02-2012, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by meefee5 View Post
What do you guys think, for a science captain, which would be better?
The Wells has a better BOFF layout if you're going for maximum Science BOFF abilities.

However the Orb Weaver is a better all-rounder. In order to make the Wells be a better damage dealer than the Weaver, you need to use both Universal slots for Tactical BOFFs... which means you'll have virtually no Engineering BOFF skills. The Weaver can basically use the Universal LtCom for a Tac without giving anything up. (And personal preference, but I also find that the Tholian Web Generator Console is much more useful!)

That said, the Vestra will blow them both out of the water, at least under normal conditions. (The Orb Weaver BOFF layout will technically allow a few different viable setups that the Vestra layout won't - example: combining Aux2Bat1 + TBR3 without giving up Aux2SIF/EWP - but these will be more niche builds.)

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Sample Vestra Setup for STFs:

3x Aux-reliant DHCs Fore, 2x Tricobalt Mines + a Turret Aft
Running at 25Weapons|50Shields|25Engines|100Aux

EPTS1
EPTS1, Aux2SIF1
PH1, HE2, TSS3, GW3
TT1, CRF1
TT1, CSV1, APB2, DPB3

(Peregrine Pets still do the highest Hull Damage Fedside, unless the new Romulan fighters change this they'll remain the best pick for pure additional +damage on STFs)

High damage output, Decent shield strength, Crazy Heals/Buffs.
Tactical Captain for preference, but a Sci shouldn't do too bad either.

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Last edited by maelwy5; 11-02-2012 at 08:25 AM.
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# 19
11-02-2012, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by squishkin View Post
True, but that's got nothing to do with what you said, which is that every lockbox ship will be better than they last. It's not true. I have three of them.
-.-
*facepalm*

You know, I would figure anyone who knows anything about this game would know that ship class is important, and it's a kind of goes without saying deal... That my statement from the devs would imply... that any new lockbox ship would outdo the SHIP OF THE SAME CLASSIFICATION from previous lockboxes... perhaps I should have been more specific, but I figured it was one of those not needing to be said and doing so would be insulting to you...

I need to stop assuming...
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Why the Devs can't make PvE content harder. <--- DR proved me wrong!
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# 20
11-02-2012, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by hereticknight085 View Post
I need to stop assuming...
I'm afraid I can't read minds. If you want to say something, you need to actually type it out.
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