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# 11
11-01-2012, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by virusdancer View Post
Siphon...
Aceton...

I'd rather put up with the AMS, Theta, Tric, and Danubes...
...than AMS, Theta, Tric, AA, and ASD.

Yep, I'd gladly take having to face ADRs over ASDs and AA any day...

...which I think many would agree with. One can just look at the FvF queues vs the FvK queues.
Fine. Then give the KDF Danubes and give the feds AA and ASDs and when the FvKing ques dont move what will next excuse be as to why the KDF is holding a unfair annoyance over the feds?

Just give a honest (and you said you did) apology with out details on why you got angry.
Once you go into detail it breaks down and becomes semi-accusitory and rantish.

" to the .....last night....sorry....hate Fking spam...."

And I apoligise for my attitude against you, it was uncalled for on my part.
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goodbye good friend. We will see you in the DMZ in the sky oneday, save a shot for us.

Last edited by bitemepwe; 11-01-2012 at 07:13 PM.
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# 12
11-01-2012, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by levi3 View Post
Don't forget in a couple weeks KDF gets something they RAGE 50 pages deep a few weeks back - Feds having MACO shields and the rumor of getting plasmonic leech

well now they get MACO shields and plasmonic leech - when the feds were going to "supposedly get it - it was going to be game breaking and they were all going to quit

But now that the KDF gets it I don't here any more "game-breaking" rants about it from those KDF players???

Guess its ok for KDF to be OP - but not Fed - or its a full on KDF rant fest.
Then you didnt read my and other posts that called it fking stupid even for us.

How you miss it? Im going think you stopped caring.......
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# 13
11-01-2012, 07:11 PM
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Then you didnt read my and other posts that called it fking stupid even for us.

How you miss it? Im going think you stopped caring.......
I have not been scanning the KDF forums and the PvP forums that much TBH

I am surprized that not even here in the PvP thread there is not a huge FED rage thread about the coming - balance issue:

"2 weeks or so every KDF ship will be pounding FED ships with MACO shields and Plasmonic Leech"

Did I miss this big issue for PvP - or do the Fed PvPrs just don't care?
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# 14
11-01-2012, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by levi3 View Post
I have not been scanning the KDF forums and the PvP forums that much TBH

I am surprized that not even here in the PvP thread there is not a huge FED rage thread about the coming - balance issue:

"2 weeks or so every KDF ship will be pounding FED ships with MACO shields and Plasmonic Leech"

Did I miss this big issue for PvP - or do the Fed PvPrs just don't care?
A general attitude of fk it towards PvP in STO may have formed overtime.

I know much angst was expressed by the PvP community in general it was bad move.

I no more want MACO +PL than I do KHG accuracy debuff/placate + Danubes under AoE advanced battle cloak.
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# 15
11-01-2012, 07:28 PM
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Fine. Then give the KDF Danubes and give the feds AA and ASDs and when the FvKing ques dont move what will next excuse be as to why the KDF is holding a unfair annoyance over the feds?
I've never had a previous excuse other than this one. It was why I quit back in April.

It's more annoying now than it was back then because of AMS through the Temporal boxes.

So my issue earlier in the year - was made worse...

...so I'm not sure of why I would need any other excuse.

Until the garbage earlier this year, I mainly ran KDF. I had my 3 KDF toons and my single Fed... named Token - my token Fed since I was stuck with the Fed restricted character slot and wanted to maximize my Dil farming.

As that crap hit, I didn't want to be on a KDF team that used it and I sure as Hell didn't want to KvK against that garbage.

I argued for more KDF ships while Fed weenies were crying for the Ambassador (after I shifted Fed and started championing the Vesta (not the monstrosity they're putting out, but something that was along the lines of the Karfi) I still made fun of the Ambassador guys - I mean, c'mon)... I argued for more KDF content. I spent time dorking around in the Foundry to make KDF content. I was all about KDF out side of my token Fed... who was just grinding Dil for my KDF dudes.

Then they did the console nonsense... and it was a case of "effit" - and, it wasn't long before it was obvious to see where the game was going down the P2W path. Deleted my four guys - including anniversary ships - all the stuff I had spent time farming and crafting... didn't care (though, I kind of regret it - admittedly).

I came back because I like Star Trek... and even with the garbage on the Fed side, I still have fun win or lose in FvF matches - because it's not the KDF garbage.

Giving the Feds the same garbage... wouldn't fix anything.

I'd walk away from the game... or likely end up getting banned for making Foundry missions where the goal was to destroy the Evil Cryptic Fleet - I'd make the devs all fat/ugly aliens that speak derp...
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# 16
11-01-2012, 07:35 PM
I could have gone with the I just hate spam thing - but it's not just spam.

There was a good fight off to the left that went on for a bit - got outnumbered, died. There was a good fight off to the right that went on even longer - got outplayed, died.

Then it was the ASD/AA/AMS spawn camp thing.

Even with that - it was fine. There was a guy raging about them spawn camping, but I was like whatever - they got the upper hand, they pushed it, they dominated - we'll move on to the next match.

When they started saying "gg" - I flipped out...
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# 17
11-01-2012, 08:11 PM
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I could have gone with the I just hate spam thing - but it's not just spam.

There was a good fight off to the left that went on for a bit - got outnumbered, died. There was a good fight off to the right that went on even longer - got outplayed, died.

Then it was the ASD/AA/AMS spawn camp thing.

Even with that - it was fine. There was a guy raging about them spawn camping, but I was like whatever - they got the upper hand, they pushed it, they dominated - we'll move on to the next match.

When they started saying "gg" - I flipped out...
Well you didn't respond yet to my comment about the KDF soon geting MACO shields+plasmonic leech - what is your opinion on that?
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# 18
11-01-2012, 08:51 PM
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Well you didn't respond yet to my comment about the KDF soon geting MACO shields+plasmonic leech - what is your opinion on that?
Honestly, until you mentioned it here - I didn't even see those other posts on the first page.

This really was meant just to be an apology - I mean, I'm surprised I haven't got a warning notification... ahem. Not everybody there was doing it - so I should have directed it at the entire opposing team. I was still ticked off about it when I posted - so that part crept in.

But still, as far as the MACO shields + plas leech - considering that they're also doing away with the 3+1 - if folks decide that 2+1 works for them - fine. I still think the KDF would be more upset about the updated KHG and Feds getting it. I've been toying around with a RSV Torp Boat. Let's look at the RSV and the Vesta.

Vesta +800 hull
Vesta +0.05 shield modifier
RSV: Lt Tac, Ens Tac, Lt Eng, Cmdr Sci, LCdr Sci
Vesta: Lt Tac, Lt Eng, Cmdr Sci, LCdr Uni, Ens Uni
Same turn rate
Vesta +0.01 impulse modifier
Vesta +1 hangar bay
RSV: 3 Tac, 2 Eng, 4 Sci consoles
Vesta - Vesta: 3 Tac, 2 Eng, 5 Sci consoles
Vesta - Aventine: 4 Tac, 2 Eng, 4 Sci consoles
Vesta - Rademaker: 3 Tac, 3 Eng, 4 Sci consoles
RSV: +15 Aux
Vesta - Vesta: +15 Aux
Vesta - Aventine: +10 Aux, +5 Wep
Vesta - Rademaker: +10 Aux, +5 Shield
Vesta: Aux powered DHC

So I picture the Vesta as a torp boat - running with the Fed KHG - with the changes being made to the KHG set. Then add in the Omega/Rom Rep passives. Don't forget the Danubes...

...and it would be hard to complain about the KDF getting MACO shields while having plasmonic.

Part of that's also from some of the discussion I saw about the 125 cap being "instituted" again. Sure, they're going have a much easier time maintaining higher wep power...

...but I'm looking at that +25% torp damage from the KHG, the +33% from Sensor Analysis, 3 tac consoles... I'm looking at the AoE Enhanced Battle Cloak (nifty def bonus making the ADRs even harder to kill) - I'm looking at the Wave-Function which reflects kinetic damage - I'm looking at the 5% chance to proc kinetic damage that ignores shields... etc, etc, etc...

...and I think the KDF have more to complain about than the Feds in this particular exchange.

But hey, I could be way off...

edit: And to be honest, I'm not looking forward to facing that in FvF...meh. Maybe I'll roll a new toon, hang out at Drozana and dance, maybe hang out at DS9 and discuss politics, or maybe hang out at ESD and discuss why Kirk>Picard>Kirk2>Pike2>Pike>Archer>Janeway>Sisko. ..meh.
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Last edited by virusdancer; 11-01-2012 at 08:56 PM.
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# 19
11-01-2012, 09:49 PM
I've been in many FvK matches where I ended up me vs 5 Klingons because all the Feds bailed. I've also been in FvK matches where the Feds just ROFL-stomped the KDF like it was nothing. It happens: you win some, you lose some. Someone told me that sometimes you're the pigeon, & sometimes you're the statue...

To the OP: Kudos to you for manning up & taking responsibility for your words & actions, apologies are rare in this day & age. I've had to apologize for some things I've said after matches that didn't go so well & pride can be a jagged little pill to swallow. Just for the record, GG means "Good Game". Like after a little league game both teams would line up, shake hands, & say good game, both winners & losers. I've misinterpreted that before & made myself look like a fool. So, anyway, Kudos to you, now go kill something.
I like my Sci guy & I like my Sci ship & that's that.

Last edited by renarcene; 11-01-2012 at 09:57 PM.
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# 20
11-02-2012, 05:02 AM
The problem with cheese crap doesn't belong to players, it belongs to that genius/geniuses at cryptic that designed those abominations without thinking at consequences. We all know who I am referring.

Now, with damage being done and not likely to be fixed, some players choose to use cheese, some not. I personally never help a team member that's using cheese. I try to move to a new target. Also, some players genuily don't know the annoyance of siphons or danoobs. Or some other cryptic brilliant "features". Not everybody is reading the forums. Everything resumes at the fact that cryptic designs those broken features only having pve in mind. Then, oops... we broke pvp... Lets try to fix it next 2-3 seasons...
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