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# 41
11-02-2012, 01:00 PM
for about the 50th time....

if you have TBR or EWP, you are immune to sipon drones. you can send assimilaters flying too. your maco shield will counteract the effect of leach, the shield you didn't have to spend any zen on remember.

anyone can slot TBR, and about half of all fed ships can slot EWP. if your in an escort and you haven't used APO and TBR, pushing someone directly in front of you wile alpha striking them, you have not lived lol.
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# 42
11-02-2012, 01:10 PM
The underlying issue is that an entire Faction seems to think it needs garbage like this to remain competitive. Maybe it does, in which case I don't take issue with the KDF specifically, or the Feds for theirs. My gripe is that Cryptic continually makes poor decisions that have a significant negative impact on game play. Bad design is not entirely the players fault.

Fly what you want (you in the general, not anyone specific), using whatever you feel you need. The worst that's going to happen is that people afk, leave, or stop queuing all together. Maybe someone like me will be too quick to point out that anyone can kill a target that can't fight back but what good or harm does that do? None. I personally refuse to fly with this stuff because as much as I dislike having it used on me, I dislike benefiting from it's use even more.

My only concern is fun game play and, quite frankly, these mechanics are sucking the fun out of it (pun!).

I don't know how much experience you guys have against these mechanics. Last I checked, KvK wasn't necessarily hoping. I keep getting invites to come to the red side. Been there. Done that. It sucked. What's lacking here seems to be perspective. Maybe some of you folks need to wear the blue and see just how much fun this **** really is.
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# 43
11-02-2012, 01:17 PM
I salute Stevehale, the wise guy and a player much better and experienced than me!
"These mechanics are sucking the fun out of it"...sucking is the right word!
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# 44
11-02-2012, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by stevehale View Post
The underlying issue is that an entire Faction seems to think it needs garbage like this to remain competitive. Maybe it does, in which case I don't take issue with the KDF specifically, or the Feds for theirs. My gripe is that Cryptic continually makes poor decisions that have a significant negative impact on game play. Bad design is not entirely the players fault.

Fly what you want (you in the general, not anyone specific), using whatever you feel you need. The worst that's going to happen is that people afk, leave, or stop queuing all together. Maybe someone like me will be too quick to point out that anyone can kill a target that can't fight back but what good or harm does that do? None. I personally refuse to fly with this stuff because as much as I dislike having it used on me, I dislike benefiting from it's use even more.

My only concern is fun game play and, quite frankly, these mechanics are sucking the fun out of it (pun!).

I don't know how much experience you guys have against these mechanics. Last I checked, KvK wasn't necessarily hoping. I keep getting invites to come to the red side. Been there. Done that. It sucked. What's lacking here seems to be perspective. Maybe some of you folks need to wear the blue and see just how much fun this **** really is.
the cancer killing fun in pvp is AMS, ALL carriers and their pets, overpowered ships like the bug, temporal and tholian ships, and anything else that gets between a player using his skill on another player, and abilitys and items that replace a need for skill with spam.

i may claim to be a kdf vetren, but i play about 50/50. i don't use any of those things listed on principle, on my kdf and fed characters. i hope more people decide to stop using them too so we can all have more fun again.
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# 45
11-02-2012, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dontdrunkimshoot View Post
for about the 50th time....

if you have TBR or EWP, you are immune to sipon drones. you can send assimilaters flying too. your maco shield will counteract the effect of leach, the shield you didn't have to spend any zen on remember.

anyone can slot TBR, and about half of all fed ships can slot EWP. if your in an escort and you haven't used APO and TBR, pushing someone directly in front of you wile alpha striking them, you have not lived lol.
Against a single evil Klingun this is correct, but when the entire evil team abuse of their sucking abilities, well, there's nothing to do, only die.
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# 46
11-02-2012, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by starwrathforever View Post
Do me a favor...play Fed sometimes and taste your own medicine...it's an italian way of saying but I hope you understand.
So I'll call you Fed comrade!
I do play fed from time to time, against KDF and the only time I have a issue is when they use siphons. Otherwise the games tend to be very fun compared to the fvf games which vary. Sometimes they are good, just like some of the kvfs but most are the same as the average kvf. The rest isn't a big deal. The sci chained VM/da-noob/AMS spam from feds teams is more annoying in my defiant than AA, PL, Theta, and more recently AMS from the k teams.

Hale is correct, the consoles do suck the fun out of the game. Use it if you must.

The more annoying issue

Here is the bigger problem. No p2w other than the ship, so QQ. 4(KDF)v5(feds) - 2 feds and 1 KDF AFK

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A fun kvk!

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A fun fvk early mornign pugmade.

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A private match. We had no p2w.

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Random match. Apparently having a good tact with 2 decent healers is hax! Free-Bortas FTW

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# 47
11-02-2012, 01:42 PM
I see the evil Klinguns always win!
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# 48
11-02-2012, 01:59 PM
Been running into a lot of cheese Fed side though lately, from AMS going off every 30 secs, SS sci spammers, tricobalt defiants, danoobs, temporal ships freezing and using tric, subnuc doffs and I'm sure probably even more stuff I haven't noticed yet through all the spam.

I try to not use cheese by using my Fleet vorcha with no consoles except for neut, rcs, borg, field gen, and disruptor coils. After going up against enough spam for the day I get tired of it sometimes and log onto my other tac in a B'rel, then load up with AMS, EWP, SS, and DPB3 trico mines. Still not as bad as some of the spam others put out there, but it gets enough complaints. I just say ill stop doing it when I go through a day without running into spam myself.
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# 49
11-02-2012, 02:19 PM
Imho, fighting without energy is a dirty trick that penalizes you too far, it's not a simple broken mechanics or cheese and spam toy consoles and abilities...nah, it's really a legalized cheat!
It's like a boxer entering the ring with one arm tied his back or going to war with a gun that shoots blank ammunition!
Nah...it's not fair...
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# 50
11-02-2012, 02:23 PM
I want to apologize for not doing a better job with my OP of just apologizing. Everybody's going to have their feelings about what's worse, how to deal with things, etc, etc, etc.

Hell, I was in my new Cruiser build (er, since deleted) when I finally ran into the ADR spam crowd. I warped out. I came back on my RSV toon (um, again since deleted - but that was a planned reroll based on info from the new shipbuilding thread) and had a blast - even though it was a suboptimal build.

Some folks are stuck with the idea on a subconscious level from PvE that any ship/any build will do in any situation - you could fly a shoebox in PvE, c'mon. Different things do better against different things in PvP.

My flipping out and needing to apologize was not from the spam. It was the "gg" part after the spam. I should have just gone with that - the spam 'n camp... then "gg"... then flipped out... then needed to apologize.

It's like coming home to find your wife in bed with another man. It's like whatever, she's a ***** - soon to be ex - that's life. But then going to the fridge and finding out the guy drank your last beer... bam, flip out!

That's what it was... the "gg" - the flip out - some pretty nasty things said - and the need to apologize.
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