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# 51
11-02-2012, 03:25 PM
I was going to play the "eye for an eye/room full of blind men" card. But on second thought, I suppose there is something to be said for not fooling oneself into thinking they are doing anything special. I can't help but feel that being spiteful, while self defeating, is more honest than the pretense that this stuff makes people decent players.

If someone is going to douche it up (and it certainly does happen on either side), the least they could do is be honest with themselves about it, lol.
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# 52
11-02-2012, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by starwrathforever View Post
Against a single evil Klingon this is correct, but when the entire evil team abuse of their sucking abilities, well, there's nothing to do, only die.
take heart honorless dog, there is hope for your kind yet! wile you have 9/6/2/1 energy, you still have the means to fight effectively! siphon drones have about 2300 hitpoints if i recall, and have to be in very close proximity to you. you save TBR for just such an occasion, dealing ~1000 damage to 5 different targets each tic no mater how much aux you have. since your engines have been ground to a halt, they don't need all that plasma in them, go ahead and dump it and do no less then ~300 dot to anything in siphon range of you.

after you have freed yourself, use your tools to protect others. is an ally suffering from siphon? swoop in and apply plasma to them like you would a heal, or crush his would be siphoners with your repulsing tractors. for good measure, make it your mission in life to permanently encase the offending carriers in searing plasma, so his drones are defeated as soon as they are launched.

effectively applying basic abilities when the situation calls for it makes siphon teams look rather silly. so for the 51st time, TBR or EWP makes you immune to siphon drones. on the other hand, runabouts have 20k hitpoints, and its basically impossible to deal with them. only having 2 omega and PH lets you sorta be immune to them, but still not really. they seem to have stronger holds then most players.

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A fun fvk early mornign pugmade.

http://oi47.tinypic.com/4exp1.jpg
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/57...7F74946656BBD/

that was a fun one!
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Last edited by dontdrunkimshoot; 11-02-2012 at 03:46 PM.
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# 53
11-02-2012, 03:44 PM
Honorless dog? Evil targ!
After a fierce battle against the evuls a Fed Captain needs some relax!
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# 54
11-02-2012, 03:51 PM
You make it sound like TBR and Warp Plasma are over powered or something. The solution certainly seems over simplified. They have short up times and long cool downs. They also come at significant opportunity costs and even then you are talking about using two skills to counter a single problem that has a laughable cooldown. Never mind the effects of Leech, Assimilators, energy siphons, target subs, VM+ Doffs, Tric mines or the fact that you can't use mines with Assimilators around (but they can).

Anyone can pop one of those guys who bought this stuff because they know it's over powered. The same is true for a lot of Bug pilots out there. The problem comes from someone with just a basic knowledge of what they are doing.

I wonder how much of a difference the change to Shield Distribution Doffs makes for the tankiness of these guys.
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# 55
11-02-2012, 04:20 PM
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Do me a favor...play Fed sometimes and taste your own medicine...it's an italian way of saying but I hope you understand.
So I'll call you Fed comrade!
I have three Feds. It's a walk in the part playing Fed. Frankly monotonously easy.
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# 56
11-02-2012, 04:24 PM
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The underlying issue is that an entire Faction seems to think it needs garbage like this to remain competitive.
Steve. I respect you and like you. You're a great guy.

But there again. You paint the entire faction with one brush.

I do take offence. Why?

Because I am passionate about the KDF. I have personally set aside broken mechanics, and I know a lot of talented players in the KDF that do the same.

Please don't say things like "the underlying issue is that an entire faction...".

Seriously, how could anyone that is serious about PVP in STO not take offence?

What I am trying to say, and doing a miserable job at it is, I've put away ES, AS? Why then must I still endure Fed spam mechanics? Then come to the forums to read about how the faction I belong are the culprits ruining PvP....

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# 57
11-02-2012, 04:43 PM
My statement was conditional. I used the word "seems" and I should have worked in an "if" somewhere to make it more clear. I've gone out of my way to explain that nothing is perfect, each faction has it's problem mechanics and that none of my opinions on mechanics are meant as a personal attack on anyone (until in zone chat about someone who is using them:p). Facts be damned, take it as you will.

You asked what a player is to do when they paid for this stuff. Well, ideally that player would want it fixed so it isn't as cheesy and they can use it freely. That's all I want. Good, fun game play that isn't subverted by awful mechanics.

I mean no offense KDF. You are still pretty.
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# 58
11-02-2012, 04:49 PM
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You make it sound like TBR and Warp Plasma are over powered or something. The solution certainly seems over simplified. They have short up times and long cool downs. They also come at significant opportunity costs and even then you are talking about using two skills to counter a single problem that has a laughable cooldown. Never mind the effects of Leech, Assimilators, energy siphons, target subs, VM+ Doffs, Tric mines or the fact that you can't use mines with Assimilators around (but they can).

Anyone can pop one of those guys who bought this stuff because they know it's over powered. The same is true for a lot of Bug pilots out there. The problem comes from someone with just a basic knowledge of what they are doing.

I wonder how much of a difference the change to Shield Distribution Doffs makes for the tankiness of these guys.
it really is as simple as im makeing it sound, and at least TBR counters most of that stuff you mentioned too. if you run 2 AtB, your cooldowns are as short or shorter then the pet launching cooldowns. i can drop more plasma before the first cloud has even dissipated, i can chain plasma someone indefinitely if he has inceficent counters to it or no outside help.

once the pets are dealt with practically instantly, theres a decent window to do stuff. sure you will have to deal with whatever else the carriers are packing, and the karfi is especially nasty in that regard, but you just made their pets a non issue.

this was the match were it donned on me just how deal-with-able siphons are

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/57...F91C49CA7E074/

i single handedly *****-shutdown-slaped their entire siphon based team with plasma, as you can see my alies were mostly disabled the whole time with thier numbers, but i was literally never effected. many time i covered thier carriers in plasma, and we had a surge of kills. or i would rescue a team mate by dumping plasma on them. team mates even started flying into my clouds for safety, or put a cloud between them and the carrier at all times.


if you are fighting klingons and you don't have EWP, TBR or both your doing it wrong. it pulls the rug out from under their cheese. if you use EWP and or TBR, and AtB with tech doffs, they might as well not launch pets, literally.

*edit- oh and escorts, for their second cannon skill if they take CSV1, and when ever its done cooling down they target a carrier, chances are they will destroy an entire pet launch pretty often. that small gesture can turn a match around all by itself.


but runabouts have 20k hitpoints and scoff at what ever damage you inflict on them, ive seen them surviv being stuck in plasma clouds, and come tractor me again after i have pushed them away.

*edit 2- here's me and mav using overwhelming amounts of warp plasma instead of sci in a pug made to win. perhaps plasma is overpowered, on a ship with a high turn rate that can use it tactically so well. anyone that dismisses the vet ships is a fool...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waJT0h30JU0
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# 59
11-02-2012, 05:05 PM
I play both KDF and Fed side, though mostly on the KDF. At first, I thought the siphon drones and other drains weren't too bad. Then I went into a private match with some fleetmates, some of which were Kar'fi's with siphon drones, in a Fleet Tor'kaht. I then realized after having my ship's power being sucked dry multiple times, that siphon drones are utter bull****. I then swore from using them or any P2W consoles.

And I am much better off without them.

The same will apply to the Fed side. No AMS, no Danube's, nothing like that at all besides what my Boffs can bring to the table.
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# 60
11-02-2012, 05:26 PM
So the key part of the plan is to run a few Technicians to out spam the spammers...

I can't really argue with the logic but then, I suppose /logout in combat is a nice counter. Does anyone know if voldy is still around? The Defiant needs a warp plasma upgrade.
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