Hilbert
PaxOttomana
2012

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I really hope this thread results in a tac/sci fix, there is never a reason for a tactical captain to be better at science than sci captains.. but it is always the case now.

Nerfing tac in general is a bad idea, but limiting their buffs to weapons and weapon type consoles only makes sense.

My main is a tac and my sci character is mad about that.

Yeah scis need more nerfs, their ships and chars are so OP in space atm.

please note that only only TBR is effected, every other thing that is effected by partical is not 'buged'

Fyi, last I checked the Tetryon weapon proc damage was like this. But, it's still meh so I figured it was intentional.

Edit: But, the +100 5 sec all sci abilities may change that for spikes though knowing you're going to proc in a 5 second window may be a bit much for 1 ship. All 5 ships using Tetryon @ over 300 points in Flow Caps may be another matter.

Sci/Sci is less likely is less likely generate a kill solo than Tac/Sci; far more likely to generate a kill with a wingmen.

Fixed. Hopefully in the build that will go out this week to Tribble, but might not be til the week after.

The phrase "whether it was intentional or not" was not meant to imply that it was working as intended, as obviously it was not (as skillfully pointed out by Herbert). What I meant to say was that this could have been intended as a boost to TBR that was implemented incorrectly.

This was not the case. It was simply a case of a standard skill-based boost being added to a power that already possessed one, due to an oversight. The change will be reverted.

PartGen influencing damage to TBR is nothing new, only possibly the scaling of the damage. I've used TBR before only to push away ships/mines, never thought of using it for damage. Now i am maxed in PartGen but this comes at a cost: low shields and points that could have been distributed elsewhere.

It seems we are drawing to yet another sci nerf. Why not? This class should be removed at all, it anyway is not excelling at anything.

The old FlowCap based sci built for dmage (TachBeam and CPB) is useless, due to sci nerfs. SS (except for the possible bug that never affected me personally) is a joke. VM still stands as a bit decent skill and so does FBP. TBR is an useful skill but not solely, you need to couple it with others.

Saying that TBR on a ship with 6 turrets and 3 SBN doffs is ripping a ship apart is not a valid argument. Tactical captains have many more build options to do that. Anyway, 3 SBN doffs are not at all at anyone's hand. So, they are not a real concern in pvp. In tournaments, you can setup whatever rule you want.

Hull resists, HE, BFI/hazard doffs, engine battery, EM and so on. PH gives you immunity. Oh, you don't want to equip those? This is another story.

I say let's nerf VM, TBR and FBP. Sci captains should only cast average heals, ST and SS. Anyway a tac captain and even an engineer best a sci in a sci ship while a sci in any other ship class is also bested by any combo. Even better, remove the science altogether.

After all, tactical captains in escorts find it pure "skill" to destroy a ship in a 4 seconds burst. Pew-pew, no brains, no will and wits to adapt builds, this is how the game should be.

then theres still some time left to try to repulser no win to death! got to wave 9 a few times thanks to this oversight

the only possible way you could think that is if you have no experience with how bad TBR can be in practice right now. with a single tac buffed activation of TBR3, i can kill a ship 2 times over with at least 1 crit that i will get, through its shields and theres nothing my opponent can do about it. there is no better way for a tactical captain to kill right now.

i can get TBR 1 on an escort with room for only 2 particle consoles to deal 5-6k damage a pulse, directly to hull, its not just sci ships doing this.

It's still funny to look at the "damage" for TB sitting there next to TBR... an AoE that does over 30x the damage of the single target ability.