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# 41
11-07-2012, 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by dalnar83 View Post
When STO launched, every noob and their mother had two copies of it. It's a crutch skill, stupid and and ! I..I hate it !! *blind hate*
When STO launched everyone was a noob by definition. Also there was VM which stunned you for ages and I think photonic fleet actually summoned a group of real ships.
RSP is can be a really nice skill and if you hate it that much I would recommend queueing with a sci friend or simply play a sci captain.
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# 42
11-07-2012, 04:06 AM
I never questioned the difference between unskilled and skilled player. Just when two roughly equally skilled people meet the P2W and crutches decide the outcome.
Rihannsu
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# 43
11-07-2012, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by aetam1 View Post
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2. Depends on your definition of working. If you use CPB it does dmg shields but the effect is so small that its useless. Having skills that do something but are not worth using is... well it happens in games. But the amount of useless skills in STO is too high and the devs don't seem to care that much.
Also things like the new TBR, I would not call it working, I would say it is broken.
Bugs happen. And yes, there is potential for dev-side improvement in some of the Boff skills.

But isn't there a power revamp planned for December (I think Borticus wrote something like that)?
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# 44
11-07-2012, 04:10 AM
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I never questioned the difference between unskilled and skilled player. Just when two roughly equally skilled people meet the P2W and crutches decide the outcome.
But that is how a F2P game works. They must have money to run the servers and pay the devs, so they give you something worth investing money in. No MMO-like F2P game can deviate all that much from that pattern.
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# 45
11-07-2012, 04:15 AM
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But that is how a F2P game works. They must have money to run the servers and pay the devs, so they give you something worth investing money in. No MMO-like F2P game can deviate all that much from that pattern.
But by that logic, he was right. As in MWO (a F2P title) skills matters..and not what you buy.

I understand that in Free To Play games you have options to buy unique cosmetic stuff, unique classes, races and all that. But not when a lockbox ship outclasses the regular ship. What's worse if a lockbox ship outlcasses regular ship offeret from huge team effort / time sink / dilithium sink like fleet starbases.

In a real twist, a gold player, that PAYS monthly for the game and plays for STAR TREK - STARFLEET ships is outclassed by some disgusting ships like bug How does that come into your F2P equation.

Btw. dont take me about RSP so seriously. I'm usually joking about that, but i HATE that skill with all my heart as well

Last edited by dalnar83; 11-07-2012 at 04:17 AM.
Rihannsu
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# 46
11-07-2012, 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by dalnar83 View Post
But by that logic, he was right. As in MWO (a F2P title) skills matters..and not what you buy.
I thought we had agreed that on different skill levels, you get results mostly based on skill level, regardless of P2W? Have I misunderstood you?

Aehem. Anyway, a game that is in beta (or shortly after its end) has not had enough time to develop as many "P2Ws" as STO has had. Compare again in one year. My prognosis would be that that certain other game will either be gone or full of horrible P2W by then.

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I understand that in Free To Play games you have options to buy unique cosmetic stuff, unique classes, races and all that. But not when a lockbox ship outclasses the regular ship. What's worse if a lockbox ship outlcasses regular ship offerent from huge team effort / time sink / dilithium sink like fleet starbases.
But I think that is only true for the Bugship, and only when compared to the fleet ships players have been able to actually use so far, right? I would expect fleet ships that are available at higher starbase tiers to be more useful vs a JHAS.

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Btw. dont take me about RSP so seriously. I'm usually joking about that, but i HATE that skill with all my heart as well
We all have our little hate objects. I don't like DHC's, for example.
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# 47
11-07-2012, 04:21 AM
Despite usually being very optimistic judging on the history of pvp i will wait until its here before getting too excited.

but i cant help but get a little excited as this sounds like a great idea and something i look forward to seeing.

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# 48
11-07-2012, 04:30 AM
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But I think that is only true for the Bugship, and only when compared to the fleet ships players have been able to actually use so far, right? I would expect fleet ships that are available at higher starbase tiers to be more useful vs a JHAS.
Really ??

Jem = better than fed escorts
Galor/D'Kora = better than fed cruisers
Tholian Orb = better than nebula, some science ships
time ships = better than science ships

Show me one lockbox ship, that is NOT superior to a fleet ship of same class ? Maybe I missed any...

I question the value of fleet starbases. It's not like you get fleet ships for free. 2000 zen is still 2000 zen.

Last edited by dalnar83; 11-07-2012 at 04:33 AM.
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# 49
11-07-2012, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by captainrevo1 View Post
Despite usually being very optimistic judging on the history of pvp i will wait until its here before getting too excited.

but i cant help but get a little excited as this sounds like a great idea and something i look forward to seeing.
If they actually do it (I mean, it was more like he was talking about a brainstorming session than an actual concept), then it could have great potential.

One could maybe even let such a reputation system (marks for which you could only earn by victories in PvP?) help judge the queue who to queue up against who...
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# 50
11-07-2012, 07:26 AM
To all u people going to the other game can u send me all ur unbound doffs plz....ur not gonna need them on there
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