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# 121
11-07-2012, 02:04 PM
So I cashed in about 250k worth of dilithium, but this is what I was left with... 6 more points for your record. I have included commodoreshrvk's "tier system":

Charlie 1:
404 EDC, 50 rare salvage, 10 proto salvage, 2 mk12 standard requisition
=> 3,500 OM, 15 BNP, 8k dil (tier 8)

Charlie 2:
187 EDC, 20 rare salvage, 10 proto salvage
=> 3,000 OM, 13 BNP, 4k dil (tier 7)

Charlie 3:
41 EDC, 20 rare salvage, 6 proto salvage, 1 mk12 standard requisition
=> 1,500 OM, 7 BNP, 1k dil (tier 4)

Charlie 4:
21 EDC, 20 rare salvage, 10 proto salvage
=> 1,500 OM, 7 BNP, 1k dil (tier 4)

CGK:
54 EDC, 20 rare salvage, 9 proto salvage
=> 2,000 OM, 9 BNP 2k dil (tier 5)

Gul C:
6 EDC, 10 rare salvage, 10 proto salvage
=> 1,500 OM, 7 BNP, 1k dil (tier 4)

I hope these examples help...
I would really like to know what the thresholds are between tier 4/5 and 6/7/8 as I think that is what I will aim for on my alts / mains.

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# 122
11-07-2012, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by weylandjuarez View Post
You're still going to have to pay dilithium for gear if you want it.

And whilst yes, many players will have the Mk XII space and ground sets, most likely they'll want the 'Adapted' sets. And the new Borg sets (Mk XII) and quite possibly the Romulan stuff - this will all cost Dilithium - hundreds of thousands of Dilithium.
alright so they took away dilithum for the projects, but actually buying the items and i'm going to assume the costumes as well are going to require dilithum.

Do we have any idea the exact cost? hundereds of thousands of dilithum seems a little extreme and the opposite of what cryptic has said is the whole point of this.

i don't have any mk xii sets so i've been looking forward to this as a way to finally get mine since i had no luck in over 50 elite stfs. (not a single piece dropped)


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Originally Posted by darkenzedd View Post
This ^^^

You also need Borg Neural Processors at 10 per Mk12 item. Currently someone with 100's of edc's and 10's of prototech are getting 15 or so.

In what sense is that even remotely fair?
wow 10 per item. so my 5 won't even get me one. very disappointed there. and i agree this does not seem fair at all for anyone from people like me with very little to those of you with massive amounts of items stored.

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Originally Posted by partizan81 View Post
Fleet Base projects still require (copius amounts of) dilithium.
Omega/Romulan stores still require dilithium.
Dilithium store requires dilithium.

When you can cash out 100 proto salvage for 230k dilithium today versus 8k on patch day, I'd say that's a fairly sizable reduction. If we were getting, say, a third of that amount in dilithium and some additional OM/BNPs, that'd be another ballgame. But right now as it stands, it seems like we're getting the pretty short end of a very long and girthy stick.
Fleets at least have (hopefully) many people donating so if you need to save up you can do so because other people will donate. and unless they add mk xii items to the dil store, i'm sure we all already have better.

And i agree 230k to 8k is a little ridiculous.

not sure what i want to do right now. the 5 processors will make mk xii a little easier, and i do hate elite so i'm tempted, but considering i'm going to lose all the dilithum i could make right now is making it a tough choice.
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# 124
11-07-2012, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by neok182 View Post
alright so they took away dilithum for the projects, but actually buying the items and i'm going to assume the costumes as well are going to require dilithum.

Do we have any idea the exact cost? hundereds of thousands of dilithum seems a little extreme and the opposite of what cryptic has said is the whole point of this.

i don't have any mk xii sets so i've been looking forward to this as a way to finally get mine since i had no luck in over 50 elite stfs. (not a single piece dropped)
The current (revised) price that's been mentioned is 32,000 Dilithium per Mk XII piece (i.e. PSG).

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Originally Posted by neok182 View Post
wow 10 per item. so my 5 won't even get me one. very disappointed there. and i agree this does not seem fair at all for anyone from people like me with very little to those of you with massive amounts of items stored.



Fleets at least have (hopefully) many people donating so if you need to save up you can do so because other people will donate. and unless they add mk xii items to the dil store, i'm sure we all already have better.

And i agree 230k to 8k is a little ridiculous.

not sure what i want to do right now. the 5 processors will make mk xii a little easier, and i do hate elite so i'm tempted, but considering i'm going to lose all the dilithum i could make right now is making it a tough choice.
You're going to have to run STFs anyway to rank up to Tier 3 and unlock your box - each Elite STF awards 1 x Borg Neural Processor - by the time you open that box you'll have way more BNPs than are in it
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# 125
11-07-2012, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by weylandjuarez View Post
The current (revised) price that's been mentioned is 32,000 Dilithium per Mk XII piece (i.e. PSG).

You're going to have to run STFs anyway to rank up to Tier 3 and unlock your box - each Elite STF awards 1 x Borg Neural Processor - by the time you open that box you'll have way more BNPs than are in it
well though that is expensive it's not as bad as i thought. 96,000 for a full set isn't too bad IMO. though i'll admit that it's still higher than it probably should be.

i'm planning on only getting a full mk xii space and ground maco set so won't be so bad for me at least.

i enjoy running the regular stfs as long as i have good people, it's the elites that annoy me since i have very bad luck at getting the items, and then just as bad luck getting good people to run them with. Though i'm considering leaving my fleet and going into a much more active one so hopefully i'd have good people to do runs with then.

and if each elite always gives you one, then thats not too bad. would be 60 elites for me. and yeah considering how many i'd have to run already. probably better off getting my dilithum.

Think i'll hold off until the day before S7 launches though to see if they make any positive changes here but i know thats probably not going to happen.
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# 126
11-07-2012, 03:06 PM
just transferred again with some more EDC and other salvage and came out with the same number 4500 15 24000. I am really leaning to cashing out. I would walk away with 471K worth of dilithium.
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# 127
11-07-2012, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by commodoreshrvk View Post
Keep the data coming, I am putting it all into an Excel spreadsheet and will analyze it with a Discriminant Function Analysis (DFA) to look at where the group ?break? points are. Please only post in one thread. Right now I have 49 of your transfers in here and I can see the following pattern for the tiers:
I want to start by saying that I'm a mathematician, but statistics are definitely not my strong suit (I'm more of an algebraist). That said, I'm curious why you chose a DFA for your analysis. This problem doesn't seem to really satisfy the assumptions of a DFA model.

To be clear, I'd love to work with you to develop the most accurate model possible. Please don't interpret this as an attempt to discredit you, or to create a competing model.

My intuition as to how to solve this problem was as follows:

Assume that cryptic assigns a "value" to each commodity, and that if your "total value" is in a certain range, you will be assigned the crate corresponding to that category.

Set the value of an EDC to 1.

Make some assumptions, such as:

Value(EDC)<Value(Mk10Req)=Value(Rare Salvage) <=Value(Proto Salvage)=Value(Mk12Req)

Value(Mk11Req)=2*Value(Rare Salvage)

Value(EDC)<Value(Mk10tech)<=Value(Mk11Tech)<=Value (Mk11Tech)

Value(some level tech)=Value(Corresponding requisition)

Then treat the problem as a large system of linear equations. I'm not entirely sure how I'd deal with the fact that the "total value" is known only up to a range. I was planning on crossing that bridge when I came to it, but it's possible that it could prove insurmountable.

In any event, could you share your spreadsheet, so that I (and others) have access to all the same data as you do, in an easy-to-read format?
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# 128
11-07-2012, 03:28 PM
Never mind, my question was answered earlier.

Last edited by squigish; 11-07-2012 at 03:32 PM.
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# 129
11-07-2012, 04:03 PM
Alright all, I have a calculator working. Please be advised I only have 120 data points from what people have posted. That being said at the moment it is only ~80.8% effective.

just CLICK HERE and let me know how it is working.

Also, please do not stop posting your results. The more conversions you guys report, the better the model will predict.

If you have any problems let me know. I am not sure but I may have the stat software I used at home so I might be able to refine this further this evening.

Last edited by commodoreshrvk; 11-07-2012 at 05:28 PM.
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# 130
11-07-2012, 04:08 PM
I did some test runs: every entry represents the amount of items, the format is as follows:

;... old stf rewards ...; ;... info from the crate ...;

In detail:

edc;rare salvage;proto salvage;rare tech;proto tech; ;OM;BNP;Dilithium


Old tribble toon receives:

287;52;51;17;08; ;3500;15;04000


Test runs with current toon:

449;74;75;24;13; ;4000;15;16000
449;74;25;24;13; ;4000;15;16000
449;25;25;24;13; ;4000;15;16000
449;00;00;24;13; ;4000;15;16000
449;00;00;10;13; ;3500;15;08000
449;00;00;00;13; ;3500;15;08000
449;00;00;00;05; ;3500;15;08000
449;00;00;00;00; ;3500;15;08000
349;00;00;00;00; ;3500;13;04000
249;00;00;00;00; ;3000;13;04000
149;00;00;00;00; ;2500;11;03000
049;00;00;00;00; ;1500;07;01000
029;00;00;00;00; ;1500;07;01000
019;00;00;00;00; ;1000;05;00000
013;00;00;00;00; ;1000;05;00000
012;00;00;00;00; ;1000;05;00000
011;00;00;00;00; ;1000;05;00000
010;00;00;00;00; ;1000;05;00000
009;00;00;00;00; ;0500;03;00000



According to the reputation system on tribble, you can convert 5 BNPs into 1000 dilithium ore (+5 omega reputation points).
So, I will keep 10 EDCs, atm worth 1056 dilithium. After S7 launch you will recieve 1000 dilithium in the form of 5 BNPs and "pay" 56 dilithium for 1000 OM and 5 reputation points (-> If the conversion system is not changed)
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