Survivor of Romulus
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# 591
12-05-2012, 02:22 PM
cryptic.. you did it wrong.. use the mirror universe outfits next time

then watch people qq again
Survivor of Remus
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# 592
12-05-2012, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by crypticarmsman View Post
Given what we're actually discussing, I find the irony of your statement amusing. As for watching the entiorety of Star Trek, I HAVE - and from the third season of TOS through TAS (which you may or may not have heard of) - the TOS feature films, TNG, DS9, VOY (well I'll admit I gave up on VOY after its first season, talk about bad writing, and writing a Captain character as if she's Bi-Polar ); and ENT - it was watched all first run/when released.

She sported a Skant for the TNG pilot - then a catsuit, and sometimes a sheer turquoise dress until the 6th season when Captain Edward Jellico suggested rather strongly that she adopt a standard starfleet uniform. As for never 'butchering a Starfleet uniform, remember 'in universe' those particular uniforms are some 35 years in the past, so you may yourself want to "join us in the 'present day' as it were with regard to Star Trek (as even CBS somewhat acknowledges that STO is the actual continuation of the 'Prime' ST Universe'.


FYI - I never claimed it's 'more Star Trek' - I was refuting someone's statement that is 'wasn't Star Trek' - and sorry; TOS WAS Star Trek, without which you would never have had TNG, DS9, et. al. - that's all I was ever saying.

That saud, in the end, remember, Star Trek is NOT a guiding philosophy for anything (never was). It was/is entertainment that occassionally did some social commentary disguised in a science fiction setting - but in the end, it was in fact designed te entertain (and make GR and Co. a lot of money.) - Just saying.
It was my polite way of pointing out that you're stuck in the same sexist mindset of pointing out TOS as the guideline for what is Star Trek w/ regards to uniforms. This ain't the 60s anymore, man. Having the majority of females be half-naked was how things were at the time. We're in the 21st century now, though. That just ain't the way it is anymore, and we've got 50 more years worth of Star Trek to prove it.

As you point out yourself, Troi's outfits were largely not official Starfleet. She certainly wasn't wearing anything as blatantly slutty as this. If you're going to try to tell me that this slut outfit is the new official Starfleet uniform, you need to lay off the Ferasan Chag grass. That would be absolutely ridiculous. The only reason they even put in the "canon" bit about crews choosing their own uniforms was so we could get away with wearing a TOS Uniform or a TNG or Voyager, that's how they sell more uniforms.

TOS was Star Trek, but now it's also TNG, DS9, VOY, the movies, etc. Where women aren't treated as just pieces of meat and objectified, as you'd suggest. Women are flesh and blood characters just as much as any of the male characters. If you think slutty-dressed women represents Star Trek, you're stuck in a long-dead age.

You're the most naive person on this universe if you can't see that it's a blatant attempt to sell the game via sex. I don't know who you're trying to convince it's anything more than that.
Lieutenant
Join Date: Jul 2012
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# 593
12-05-2012, 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tachyonharmonic View Post
It was my polite way of pointing out that you're stuck in the same sexist mindset of pointing out TOS as the guideline for what is Star Trek w/ regards to uniforms. This ain't the 60s anymore, man. Having the majority of females be half-naked was how things were at the time. We're in the 21st century now, though. That just ain't the way it is anymore, and we've got 50 more years worth of Star Trek to prove it.

As you point out yourself, Troi's outfits were largely not official Starfleet. She certainly wasn't wearing anything as blatantly slutty as this. If you're going to try to tell me that this slut outfit is the new official Starfleet uniform, you need to lay off the Ferasan Chag grass. That would be absolutely ridiculous. The only reason they even put in the "canon" bit about crews choosing their own uniforms was so we could get away with wearing a TOS Uniform or a TNG or Voyager, that's how they sell more uniforms.

TOS was Star Trek, but now it's also TNG, DS9, VOY, the movies, etc. Where women aren't treated as just pieces of meat and objectified, as you'd suggest. Women are flesh and blood characters just as much as any of the male characters. If you think slutty-dressed women represents Star Trek, you're stuck in a long-dead age.

You're the most naive person on this universe if you can't see that it's a blatant attempt to sell the game via sex. I don't know who you're trying to convince it's anything more than that.

Well said sir.
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# 594
12-05-2012, 03:55 PM
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We're in the 21st century now, though. That just ain't the way it is anymore,
I want to know what version of the 21st century you're living in, because if T'jiggle and nearly every other form of media out there is any indication, you're hilariously wrong.
Survivor of Romulus
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# 595
12-05-2012, 03:58 PM
Alternate name suggestions seem to abound

lets not forget

T'pheavy
T'pless
and Slutik
Lt. Commander
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# 596
12-05-2012, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by tachyonharmonic View Post
It was my polite way of pointing out that you're stuck in the same sexist mindset of pointing out TOS as the guideline for what is Star Trek w/ regards to uniforms. This ain't the 60s anymore, man. Having the majority of females be half-naked was how things were at the time. We're in the 21st century now, though. That just ain't the way it is anymore, and we've got 50 more years worth of Star Trek to prove it.
So you'd rather go back to the 1950s where women were expected to cover everything from the neck down? I find it hilarious that you think a choice of clothing is "slutty" and turns her into a "piece of meat"; it really shows your own sexist ideas.
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# 597
12-05-2012, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by d3cubed View Post
THANK YOU! I'm glad someone else sees this for what it is: an attempt by cryptic to use sex to bring male players (pun intended) into their bed.

I was happy with most of season seven, why did you have to screw it up with this?
The stupid part of it is that they've decided that they're not interested in half of the human population and the money they possess and just want to keep the Babymen pleased.
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Survivor of Romulus
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# 598
12-05-2012, 04:19 PM
Actually many men (those who are actually mature) do not fall for this sort of thing
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# 599
12-05-2012, 04:20 PM
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Clearly not

the Queen is 100% machine in a skin suit
She had more implants than the others, but she still looked around 30-40% flesh to me.

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that and actors breathe
Out-of-universe, sure. In-universe, the Borg breathe.

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im pretty sure he doesn't bleed
Just watched the scene again. When it gets sliced in the shoulder there's a spray of blood.

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not exactly ours is a multi directional compound system
theirs is more like a pond filter
We never saw the Borg equivalent of a heart, but I assume it would work the same way, or even better.

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A "dead" borg sits up in voyager (purely the implants)
Its implants started up, but it was still dead. Maybe they were missing the input from its organic brain.

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not exactly they remove healthy tissue to render the drone less efficient and unable to function if it rebels
Why would they want to make their drones less efficient? And from what I've seen, they could care less whether a drone "rebels" or not. The only exception was the Unimatrix Zero rebellion, but that was on a much larger scale than a couple errant drones.

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Actually Viruses aren't exactly alive
they replicate using a living cell but are not themselves anything more than a complicated Weapon
I'm no biology expert, but I would think if they reproduce and can sustain themselves, they probably qualify as life.

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Alternate name suggestions seem to abound

lets not forget

T'pheavy
T'pless
and Slutik
I like the last two, though "Slutik" is probably a bit extreme.
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Survivor of Romulus
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# 600
12-05-2012, 04:32 PM
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She had more implants than the others, but she still looked around 30-40% flesh to me
.

Well the whole body below the shoulders is artificial
and the upper bit is a metal skull and spine with flesh stretched over it
basically she is a robot core used to store the personality of a long dead woman

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Originally Posted by sollvax
im pretty sure he doesn't bleed

Just watched the scene again. When it gets sliced in the shoulder there's a spray of blood.
Do not remember him bleeding but ill take your word for it (I don't have first contact on DVD)

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Originally Posted by sollvax
not exactly ours is a multi directional compound system
theirs is more like a pond filter

We never saw the Borg equivalent of a heart, but I assume it would work the same way, or even better.
why would it be better?
its artificial and we know that biology always trumps technology


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Originally Posted by sollvax
A "dead" borg sits up in voyager (purely the implants)

Its implants started up, but it was still dead. Maybe they were missing the input from its organic brain.
Nah it was just too far from the collective

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Originally Posted by sollvax
not exactly they remove healthy tissue to render the drone less efficient and unable to function if it rebels

Why would they want to make their drones less efficient? And from what I've seen, they could care less whether a drone "rebels" or not. The only exception was the Unimatrix Zero rebellion, but that was on a much larger scale than a couple errant drones.
Well if they wanted them efficient they would be individualised and 100% organic wouldn't they ??

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Originally Posted by sollvax
Actually Viruses aren't exactly alive
they replicate using a living cell but are not themselves anything more than a complicated Weapon

I'm no biology expert, but I would think if they reproduce and can sustain themselves, they probably qualify as life.
I thought that as well until recently watching a documentary on them
A Virus is merely a replication machine it is not actually capable of existing outside of a living cell
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Alternate name suggestions seem to abound

lets not forget

T'pheavy
T'pless
and Slutik

I like the last two, though "Slutik" is probably a bit extreme.
T'pless is my favourite im actually tempted to create a Boff of that name and for the first time EVER move the bust slider past 1/3rd
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