Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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I recently started doing Elite space STFs, and I've had no problems during Infected and Khitomer Accord Elite, even getting the Optionals done most of the time. Cure Elite, on the other hand, seems to always end in failure, so much so that I have yet to complete it on Elite!

I've got full Mk XI gear on my ship, with some Mk XII stuff I've picked up since starting Elites. I've done all the STFs on Normal, too, so I know how they're supposed to go.

What usually happens is, people will destroy a Cube way too soon and then we get swamped with Raptors and Negh'vars, and the Kang gets destroyed.

Simply put, my question is: Is Cure Elite a notoriously difficult STF to complete, or am I just getting a long string of really bad groups? How often does everyone else even complete it, compared to the other two Elite STFs?
Rihannsu
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 2
11-10-2012, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by thratch1 View Post
I recently started doing Elite space STFs, and I've had no problems during Infected and Khitomer Accord Elite, even getting the Optionals done most of the time. Cure Elite, on the other hand, seems to always end in failure, so much so that I have yet to complete it on Elite!

I've got full Mk XI gear on my ship, with some Mk XII stuff I've picked up since starting Elites. I've done all the STFs on Normal, too, so I know how they're supposed to go.

What usually happens is, people will destroy a Cube way too soon and then we get swamped with Raptors and Negh'vars, and the Kang gets destroyed.

Simply put, my question is: Is Cure Elite a notoriously difficult STF to complete, or am I just getting a long string of really bad groups? How often does everyone else even complete it, compared to the other two Elite STFs?
My experience with Cure Space Elite is that it becomes a nightmare in pugs, people never listen, always blow cubes early without being able to fend off the Raptors.

My advice, join one of the many Elite STF channels and ask for a group there, groups made that way will always discuss strategy before hand, I've yet to see a CSE done that way go wrong for me.

I got my IGE accolade with one such group as well.
Career Officer
Join Date: Aug 2012
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# 3
11-10-2012, 08:45 AM
Its hard for alot of new STF'rs, and some that have been doing it a few weeks, becuase they refuse to do simple research.

Take "MRRMLL". the simplest, easiest strat to use in a pug group, but ask in chat if they want to do it that way, results will vary from, "Is that English", to "don't know what your talking about" , blah blah blah responses.

To me, i just dont understand why CSE is so hard for some people, it really is the simplest STF to complete on optional in less than 10 mins, but hey, what do i know.
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Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 4
11-10-2012, 09:27 AM
The problem is that most STFers are poorly trained PvEers with fail builds. Leveling through the game doesn't really teach you anything about the way the game works at all.

Most of the mechanics breakdowns, and proper build ideas are made by PvPers who've put hundreds of matches worth of testing into them.

None of the Elite STFs require any strategy beyond kill, protect Kang, kill probes. Getting the optional is just a simple matter of doing optimal damage.

Anyone telling you different is just an elitist PvEer who doesn't want you to improve as a player.

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Captain
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 5
11-10-2012, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by thratch1 View Post

What usually happens is, people will destroy a Cube way too soon and then we get swamped with Raptors and Negh'vars, and the Kang gets destroyed.
This is often the norm.

Though unusually i was in one with an escort 3cruisers and my voquv, i was clearning left alone, they where working on right blew the cube, and fortunately i have built my voquv to stall with the best of them, they attacked middle (warp plasma and eventually killing thier raptors) while I tractor repulsed, and gravity welled my raptors,

There was a scary moment when they forgot to check their raptors and me shouting in chat XD, but we managed and actually got the optinal too,

Sometimes all it takes is the right build/powers to salvage a messy mistake

Though this is COMPLETELY depenadant all hands present can read >.>.. in Elite Stfs.. yeah its sad to say that isnt always true.
Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 6
11-10-2012, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by trenttyler View Post
Its hard for alot of new STF'rs, and some that have been doing it a few weeks, becuase they refuse to do simple research.

Take "MRRMLL". the simplest, easiest strat to use in a pug group, but ask in chat if they want to do it that way, results will vary from, "Is that English", to "don't know what your talking about" , blah blah blah responses.

To me, i just dont understand why CSE is so hard for some people, it really is the simplest STF to complete on optional in less than 10 mins, but hey, what do i know.
While I agree to an extent on your evaluation of the situation, I tend to give credit more so to normal STFs than a lack of research. People just go in guns blazing in normals, can destroy cubes early and not really feel the wrath of doing so. They then learn to do it this way always and when they enter an elite, well, it ruins everything. Normal CS could stand to have a little more reason to not blow the cubes too early. Since the ships are fairly weak just throw in three times more ships after a cube is blown. People will learn strategy real quick for it and that will improve the elite situation because you cannot and must not rely on players to do outside of the game research of the experience of others. That is a sign of bad game design.

Basically normals are just too easy to power through. They need some more difficulty, or perhaps another STF should be thrown into the mix called Hard so there's normal hard and elite. That's the problem really, going from easy straight to really hard without a difficulty in between them, a STF that will better prepare you for elites. Until that happens this elite problem with players unprepared will persist.
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# 7
11-10-2012, 09:46 AM
We've been playing around with the uber trics lately for the lulz - killing two cubes at once, cleaning up raptors/BoPs, finishing off the last cube, claiming the optional, killing the naintes (yes the nanites as we have figured out how to nuke cubes before killing the nanites. Gravitic anchor, sensor scan full aux, super buffed dispersal pattern beta III MKXII trics CritDx3), then we kill the carrier.

I was hoping to find a video somewhere but I think the fleety has not put it online yet haha.

MRRML is the best tactic for hitting CSE normally, one person with decent dps guards the lanes as the other four form the kill team.
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# 8
11-10-2012, 09:49 AM
Not sure if it's "hard," but there's certainly plenty of opportunity for the mission to go south if people slip up. Communication and control is key to winning.
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# 9
11-10-2012, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by hypl View Post
Not sure if it's "hard," but there's certainly plenty of opportunity for the mission to go south if people slip up. Communication and control is key to winning.
Thats it, it is only hard when the team does not communicate.
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Commander
Join Date: Jun 2012
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# 10
11-10-2012, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by snoge00f View Post
The problem is that most STFers are poorly trained PvEers with fail builds. Leveling through the game doesn't really teach you anything about the way the game works at all.

Most of the mechanics breakdowns, and proper build ideas are made by PvPers who've put hundreds of matches worth of testing into them.

None of the Elite STFs require any strategy beyond kill, protect Kang, kill probes. Getting the optional is just a simple matter of doing optimal damage.

Anyone telling you different is just an elitist PvEer who doesn't want you to improve as a player.

Read my siglink for ideas on how make a proper build.
Overall what you basically said was that elite STFs are really easy for elite players and not so elite players suxors. This is why I suggest it is better for those suxors to be forced to learn the basics of what little strategy there is in STFs to better help the elites carry their butts. They aren't going to ever magically have the right builds or know exactly what to do at any given moment but at least they won't ruin the STF period when they gleefully blow up that first cube solo after blowing up a few times themselves.

Also it will never hurt to enforce players to do a normal STF so and so amount of times before they can enter elites if for no other reason but to put a stop to players skipping normals outright out of selfishness. If you're going to ruin my STF filled with cruisers by blowing up a cube early then dammit you'll have done a normal or ten first before doing so. You know, have the decency to know what's coming rather than thinking you're Picard in your renta Enterprise gleefully thinking to yourself weeee I'm Picard coming to the rescue don't worry guyz I'll take this borg cube out I got this it's just like that First Contact movie all over again teheh they're all thinking 'it's the Enterprise! we got this now!' weeee mkxii gear is better than xi weeee

Like seriously, serious MMO business and STO does not go well together whatsoever so I do not expect us to ever have real end game content added to this game even though it would be amazing for the health of the game and it's fleets to have something more to do than casually driven events. So we kind of have to deal with this here and if you want better then it's in your hands to join a fleet and or channel where others shares your desires of having a better experience.

EDIT: This thread has been closed due to being a "necro" thread. Remember, if a thread has not been posted to in over 30 days, please start a new thread to discuss a topic Thanks! ~BranFlakes

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