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# 21
11-13-2012, 08:49 AM
@Mimey2: Well in that case i'm sorry but i have to agree the turn rate n the excel is hugely under-specced. Seriously something that small shouldn't be turning that poorly, even the Ambassador is smaller in all but length than the Nebula and the Nebula is a much more stocky design, given you know, upgrades it should not be out-turning either of them.

Also the whole point of not having an LTC on there is that this is the trade off for a Commander universal. And since when did Conn Officers affect attack Pattern Omega's duration. If they've changed that i hadn't noted it. TBH it's stuck with the usual cruiser issue. There is no such thing as a good cruiser bridge layout with just 12 BoFF powers. 13 is about the real minimum for a good solid setup. 14 maybe 15 depending on your choice of distribution for them. A Commander Uni backed by a a Lt Uni gives you a good bit of choice to pick your weakpoint in a more useful way without giving you everything.

Remember I?m not advocating cannons here. Without those it can't begin to scratch the DPS of an escort.


@Misterde3: I'm going to have to see if I can't find my insurrection DVD and the rest of my collection be4cuase those sov stats just sound really bogus, at no point in any shots does it look smaller than a galaxy to that degree, and some of the identifiable exterior features would be wildly out of scale if it was that much smaller.

As for the mass. ignore it, the Nebulae is supposedly a half a million tons lighter, which given it's layout compared to the Ambassador would just be downright impossible. A good percentage of an ambassadors height is focused in it's neck extension, (same can be said in comparison to sov technically speaking, but it?s not as severe). this means that if you basically cut the neck at the base where it meets the secondary hull and move the whole thing back to the rear of the secondary hull and you'll halve the length without changing any other stats, (or alternatively re-mount the saucer on the front of the deflector and you keep the length whilst cutting the height by 2/3). In practice over it's length very littlie is at full width or height.

The Nebula by contrast has close fitting nacelles alongside a large secondary hull that takes up a much longer piece of length and extends much of the width of the ships maximum, but does not add significantly to the height, a similar thing applies with that big beefy rollbar. Certainly it gains a good bit of height, but over it's overall length it's actually the full height and/or width over a greater percentage of said length than the Ambassador. Given it's also greater total height and width and only marginally shorter length you just can't come up with any way to make the ambassador the heavier ship that makes any kind of engineering sense.

TBH this is one of those things we can argue on. But to me an ambassador absolutely should be out maneuvering a sov or Nebulae. Which makes 1 the minimum for me. If they under specced the Excel I?d be happy to see a fleet version with an enhanced turn rate.
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# 22
11-13-2012, 09:12 AM
The stats I made up are based on the Chimera destroyer.

The reason I decided to designate it as a destroyer is because.
a) It's a smaller ship then the newer larger cruisers.
b) It'll probably be of a similar size to some existing escorts.
c) Cryptic hasn't yet released a 3x escort/destroyer pack yet and so far the only destroyers available are vet/lockbox rewards.
d) You already have the Odyssey for a tanking/science cruiser and the Regent for the tactical cruiser.
e) A last bit of hope on my part that cryptic will release a canon ship that has an enterprise style configuration which will actually have a real use, given that DPS is king in STO.

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Tbh I don't understand the obsession with an antiquated and quite honestly an ugly ship-class that only appeared in 2 episodes, both of which it was destroyed in (or in the case of the alternate reality, it was implied that it was destroyed).
Well it looks better then the Galaxy-class for starters and is the only canon ships left that has the Constitution style configuration. Also no spade shaped saucer section or silly attempts to streamline it.
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# 23
11-13-2012, 11:19 AM
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@Mimey2: Well in that case i'm sorry but i have to agree the turn rate n the excel is hugely under-specced. Seriously something that small shouldn't be turning that poorly, even the Ambassador is smaller in all but length than the Nebula and the Nebula is a much more stocky design, given you know, upgrades it should not be out-turning either of them.

Also the whole point of not having an LTC on there is that this is the trade off for a Commander universal. And since when did Conn Officers affect attack Pattern Omega's duration. If they've changed that i hadn't noted it. TBH it's stuck with the usual cruiser issue. There is no such thing as a good cruiser bridge layout with just 12 BoFF powers. 13 is about the real minimum for a good solid setup. 14 maybe 15 depending on your choice of distribution for them. A Commander Uni backed by a a Lt Uni gives you a good bit of choice to pick your weakpoint in a more useful way without giving you everything.
Yes that I understood about the layout you gave. No Ltc means no other 'big' power except in the Cmdr seat. Even so, a Cmdr Universal is still very powerful because it does allow you to choose.

As for the Conn Officers, they don't affect the duration, but the cooldown. There are ones out there which reduce the cooldown on Attack Patterns Beta, Delta, and Omega by 15%, and you can stack 3 of them. Between them, you can have constant, or near constant usage of an Attack Pattern of your choosing. So the damage buff, defense buff, immunity to movement debuffs, etc etc.

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# 24
11-13-2012, 12:35 PM
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>Ambassador
>Destroyer
>14 turn rate

Ha ha... ha.

No.

Expect a generic cruiser, probably a bit more manuverable than the Galaxy, but with less HP. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd give it lt.cmdr. universal boff station.

Just wait till the STO 3rd anniversary. It's pressumably going to be featured in some special event mission then.
I could not find the statement but I also believe that I read that someone at Cryptic said that an Ambassador class ship will be a mission reward coming out very soon.

As for the people that think that it's ugly. I think people want to because its a part of canon and Enterprise history. Just like I got an Excelsior - I didn't get it because it's streamlined like a 25 year old woman, it's has more serious aesthetics like Grandpa with a shotgun!
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# 25
11-13-2012, 03:50 PM
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Yes that I understood about the layout you gave. No Ltc means no other 'big' power except in the Cmdr seat. Even so, a Cmdr Universal is still very powerful because it does allow you to choose.

As for the Conn Officers, they don't affect the duration, but the cooldown. There are ones out there which reduce the cooldown on Attack Patterns Beta, Delta, and Omega by 15%, and you can stack 3 of them. Between them, you can have constant, or near constant usage of an Attack Pattern of your choosing. So the damage buff, defense buff, immunity to movement debuffs, etc etc.
Oh i know it's powerful and there have to be compromises, no questions there.

Also sorry, honestly didn't know about those DoFF's, never seen one, all mine are -evasve manuvers and -tac team CD ones. That does make it a good deal nastier, though the same technichlly goes for the regent and Excelsior, APO1 is weaker but still nasty.

If the whole STF issue does turn out to be a bug i'll probably write a littile thread on cruisers.
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# 26
11-21-2012, 03:52 AM
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In January we'll be releasing an Andorian Ship on the Federation side to be quickly followed by the STO 3 Year Anniversary Event. This special celebration will be released with a new one-off Feature Episode. If you were at the Star Trek convention in San Francisco this last weekend, Denise Crosby would have you believe that this episode is going to be all about Tasha Yar and Sela. We'll see... anything can happen.

The anniversary event will also offer a new special free ship for both Fed and Kdf players much like we gave away the Odyssey during last year's event.

Guessing, considering the Denise Crosby/Tasha/Sela reference and the significance of that, the "special free ship" (federation) COULD be the Ambassador class.
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# 27
11-21-2012, 03:59 AM
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Guessing, considering the Denise Crosby/Tasha/Sela reference and the significance of that, the "special free ship" (federation) COULD be the Ambassador class.
Heres hoping its one ship Ive always liked and missed not being in STO.
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# 28
11-21-2012, 04:01 AM
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Heres hoping its one ship Ive always liked and missed not being in STO.
Would be nice if it was - though I am only assuming, and it's very possible that it's not. I just can't help but feel that it would be appropriate considering the whole 'Enterprise-C' (Ambassador class) Tasha/Sela connection.
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# 29
11-21-2012, 04:14 AM
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Guessing, considering the Denise Crosby/Tasha/Sela reference and the significance of that, the "special free ship" (federation) COULD be the Ambassador class.
Am I the only speculating about what the KDF IS GONNA GET here? Hoping for the K'Vort at some point with all this, considering they were also featured in "Yesterday's Enterprise"

Jus Sayin'.. Lil KDF love here and there...
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# 30
11-21-2012, 04:16 AM
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Am I the only speculating about what the KDF IS GONNA GET here? Hoping for the K'Vort at some point with all this, considering they were also featured in "Yesterday's Enterprise"

Jus Sayin'.. Lil KDF love here and there...
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In January we'll be releasing an Andorian Ship on the Federation side to be quickly followed by the STO 3 Year Anniversary Event. This special celebration will be released with a new one-off Feature Episode. If you were at the Star Trek convention in San Francisco this last weekend, Denise Crosby would have you believe that this episode is going to be all about Tasha Yar and Sela. We'll see... anything can happen.

The anniversary event will also offer a new special free ship for both Fed and Kdf players much like we gave away the Odyssey during last year's event.

What concerns me is that it's entirely possible that it could be ONE ship useable by both the KDF & Federation.
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